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500to22nut 12-18-2012 05:34 PM

12ga slugs for what game?
 
I am new here so excuse my lack of knowledge

The power that you can get with mainly sabot slugs is very impressive and similar to a 45-70 in some ways
Dixie ammo company has a new "dangerous game slug" I want to know how theses are more effective even though the have less ftlbs of energy and also can these slugs take on Africa in a rifled barrel from a mossberg 500 field model????
Thanks

John_Deer 12-18-2012 05:45 PM

You know what you consider as minimum ballistics for dangerous game in Africa. Here is a wonderful guide that will allow you to make your own decision http://www.ballistics101.com/.

I only have an opinion and I have never been to Africa. If I decide to go to Africa I wouldn't even consider what is enough gun. I would rent or borrow the proper weapon from my guide.

500to22nut 12-18-2012 05:52 PM

I am asking out of curiosity.
I'm not going to Africa anytime soon haha but that would be nice.
I'm just curious what you could take on
It's 870 grains traveling 1200 feet per second producing about 2500 ftlbs it's made of a solid heat treated alloy so it's way harder then lead that's what gives it penetration.
I'm new here and excited to learn

JonM 12-18-2012 06:21 PM

Dangerous game like elephant and cape buffalo the magic number has always been 45 caliber 500grain solid at 2100fps. A shotgun in any loading does not have the energy to safely and humanely take these enourmous and dangerous beasts.

A shotgun slug will most likely lodge in a muscle after just barely penetrating the skin. Shotguns are barely effective on bear.

500to22nut 12-18-2012 06:25 PM

It's a 73.caliber 870gr bullet that is made for grizzly bear and moose!

So what is the biggest thing you think it will take effectively at about 50 - 75 yards

JonM 12-18-2012 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 500to22nut (Post 1056496)
It's a 73.caliber 870gr bullet that is made for grizzly bear and moose!

So what is the biggest thing you think it will take effectively at about 50 - 75 yards

In my opinion Deer and turkey and other types of birds. Shotguns are just not good big game guns.

Bear are typically shot at very close range when hunting out of a tree stand. Police in alaska use 12ga on bear because its what they have for other purposes. Its often at very close range or used to make noise to scare a bear off or put down a moose wounded by a car. They arent hunting with them.

Personally i wouldnt use a shotgun even on small black bear. I dont think its ethical or humane as slugs just arent good at penetrating thick hide.

hiwall 12-18-2012 07:21 PM

870 grains!! That thing must kick like a mule.

500to22nut 12-18-2012 07:33 PM

Yeah Iike a giant mule on steroids lmao

JonM 12-18-2012 08:19 PM

Its no where near the recoil impulse of a dangerous game rifle. I own two, a 458winmag and a 458LOTT a shotgun slug is to a 458 what a 223 is to a shotgun slug.

A 458lott at max loads with a 510 grain bullet is slightly over the half way point to a 50bmg

If you find yourself in south east wisconsin ill be happy to let you try a real dangerous game round :)

c3shooter 12-18-2012 08:30 PM

Not only not adequate for African big game, also illegal.

There are parts of the US where rifles are not legal for hunting- by default, shotgun slugs. Adequate for deer. Bear- at powder burn range. Slugs shed speed and energy very quickly compared to a spitzer rifle bullet- or even the frankfurter sized bullets fired by the rifles Scott mentioned.


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