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wittmeba 11-11-2013 02:50 PM

12ga clay target shot shell reloading
 
I have 2 reloaders (12 & 20 ga) from about 1968 and I am considering reloading for the 12ga again. I've searched for all the pieces and tried to break down the pricing on a per shot basis. I am disappointed with the cost as compared to buying new factory loads.

Back in the olden days I could reload a box of 25 for about $1.00. This equates to about 1/2 the new costs. I realize inflation has greatly affected the cost as well as other details like they type of shot allowed, cost of metals, etc.

If my numbers are right I cant justify reloading over buying new factory loads. Anyone spot anything wrong in my calculations or values?

I can purchase the equivalent load for about $7.00/box.

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Trying to recreate our reloading specs of back in 1967-68
1 1/8oz 7.5/8/9 shot - 2 3/4 drams ea - 12ga - 18 gr powder

New box of Remington was about $1.99
We could reload a box of 25 for about $1.00


1968 Prices:

Cases:
Remington Plastic 8 point crimp - Blue case, short brass base & white plastic base wad
Winchester AA Plastic 6 point crimp - Red case & molded base wad
Federal Papers 6 point crimp - Redish brown waxed & fiber base wad

Primers:
Winchester CCI #109 (my recollection is the #209 wouldn't seat and fell out) - #109 fit everything we reloaded
$10.00/1000

Powder:
Red Dot 3# cardboard canister (about 6" dia and 10" tall only filled about 1/2 full when new)
$25.00 ?

Wads:
Don't recall the brand but Power Pistons were about 1.2 X and didnt work as well for us.
The wads we used were plastic cup wad straight solid side with a fiber insert - number #4 or #5 provided the best crimp for our loads - but I dont recall the brand.
They came in a yellow box about 6" square and 15" tall - opened about 2" from bottom for easy access
$5.00/500

Shot:
Lead 25# canvas bags #7.5 or 8 or 9
$11.00/25# bag

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Reloading 12ga today:

Purchase new empty / primed cases $18.00/100 - use #209 on reloads $40.00/500 (.18 each)
RedDot Powder - $18.00/1# (7000 / 1# or 388 loads) (.05 each)
Piston Skeet Wads - $15.00/500 or ClayBusters - $12.00/500 (.03 each)
7.5/8/9 shot - $100.00/50# (800 oz = 700+ shells) (.13 each)
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Total cost for reloads: (.39 each)
Per box 25: .39 * 25 (9.75 each)

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bobski 11-14-2013 11:47 PM

what size loads? 1oz or 1 1/8oz?

nitestalker 11-15-2013 12:37 AM

That is why my Mec 9000-G sets alone in the corner. My Trap guns are retired. It cost too Damn much for shells and $50 bucks a week to shoot in the club leagues. Shotgun sports are quickly closing down in this part of the country.:(

bobski 11-15-2013 12:54 AM

still beats a buck a round for rifle shooting.

wittmeba 11-15-2013 01:47 AM

bobski - they were all 1 1/8 loads as indicated in the first statement in the recreation process. The lead was always the most costly element in our reloading.


I don't even know what a round of 25 clays cost these days. Back in the 1967-68 it was less than $3.00.

nitestalker 11-15-2013 01:54 AM

It does not cost a dollar per round to reload any common rifle or handgun rounds. Many of us cast and swage jacketed bullets. We are not victims to the ever swinging lead shot market.
Shotgun competition shooting is not attracting younger shooters. The cost of shells and fees is only appealing to an older group of shooters.:(

wittmeba 11-15-2013 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitestalker
...is only appealing to an older group of shooters.:(

Watch it there buddy :)

indy36 11-15-2013 04:21 AM

"I don't even know what a round of 25 clays cost these days. Back in the 1967-68 it was less than $3.00."

My club is $5 per round for a non-member and $3.00 for a member.

hockeyjr1 11-15-2013 05:05 AM

Purchase new empty / primed cases $18.00/100 - use #209 on reloads $40.00/500 (.18 each)
RedDot Powder - $18.00/1# (7000 / 1# or 388 loads) (.05 each)
Piston Skeet Wads - $15.00/500 or ClayBusters - $12.00/500 (.03 each)
7.5/8/9 shot - $100.00/50# (800 oz = 700+ shells) (.13 each)
======================================= ========
Total cost for reloads: (.39 each)
Per box 25: .39 * 25 (9.75 each)

I gotta not agree with all this as I just bought supplies for a lot less..

First off if you are "reloading" then u should be using fired hulls.. Can't RE load something that wasn't loaded before!!! :)

So there off the bat your down .18$...

What I don't get is where you say use 209 on reloads 40/500.. I would think this is a primer but have never seen them sold in 500 bricks and def not at that price.. I just bought fed 209a for 37.99 for 1k.. So primers are only 4 cents..

As for the shot I have found a guy who orders by the pallet at my local range and he gets a bag for 42 bucks.. Also In these times I practice with 1 oz loads unless it's before I go into a comp then I would switch over right before.. This would be 11 cents a round

I'll agree with your wads and powder prices tho so here's what it looks like..

Primers .04
Hulls free
Shot .11
Wads .03
Powder .05
Total .23 per round..
Total per 25. $5.75

Now yes this isn't taking into consideration hazmat fees or shipping but that stuff usually evens out the local tax on boxes of ammo anyways..

My local dicks sells gun clubs for 6.99 a box.. But they sometimes are on sale for 5.97 and that's the only time I go an buy..

I like reloading, the science and the ability to make hot loads for myself and light ones for my girlfriend..

And remember there's nothing wrong with stocking up on supplies.. For the longest of time this summer I couldn't find target loads.. Only the random game loads that really are to much for my girlfriend.. (She shoots a 12 ga) and this I why I just started to reload myself..

Search online and u can find stuff..

Powder valley inc is a great site..

wittmeba 11-15-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeyjr1
Purchase new empty / primed cases $18.00/100 - use #209 on reloads $40.00/500 (.18 each)

To get me started I need some empties. I don't have any yet so I included pricing for primed cases. Perhaps I should find empties online for a start. I did not include primers for the initial loading and would not include primed cases but would need to include primers only for subsequent loading. I didn't realize primed cases were so expensive. It would be one or the other - not both.


Quote:

I gotta not agree with all this as I just bought supplies for a lot less..

First off if you are "reloading" then u should be using fired hulls.. Can't RE load something that wasn't loaded before!!! :)

So there off the bat your down .18$...
This is a significant difference between primed cases and just primers for fired cases.

Quote:

What I don't get is where you say use 209 on reloads 40/500.. I would think this is a primer but have never seen them sold in 500 bricks and def not at that price.. I just bought fed 209a for 37.99 for 1k.. So primers are only 4 cents..
My pricing might be wrong - I'll look that one up again.

Quote:

As for the shot I have found a guy who orders by the pallet at my local range and he gets a bag for 42 bucks.. Also In these times I practice with 1 oz loads unless it's before I go into a comp then I would switch over right before.. This would be 11 cents a round

I'll agree with your wads and powder prices tho so here's what it looks like..

Primers .04
Hulls free
Shot .11
Wads .03
Powder .05
Total .23 per round..
Total per 25. $5.75

Now yes this isn't taking into consideration hazmat fees or shipping but that stuff usually evens out the local tax on boxes of ammo anyways..

My local dicks sells gun clubs for 6.99 a box.. But they sometimes are on sale for 5.97 and that's the only time I go an buy..

I like reloading, the science and the ability to make hot loads for myself and light ones for my girlfriend..

And remember there's nothing wrong with stocking up on supplies.. For the longest of time this summer I couldn't find target loads.. Only the random game loads that really are to much for my girlfriend.. (She shoots a 12 ga) and this I why I just started to reload myself..

Search online and u can find stuff..

Powder valley inc is a great site..
Thanks for your input.


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