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Old 08-12-2013, 04:34 AM   #31
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I bought an 11-87 w wood m 870 w synth stocks. Both 20 ga and both have 28" tubes. The 11-87 has a hard rubber recoil pad while the 870 has the latest & greatest recoil pad.

The 11-87 is a pleasure to shoot and the 870 kicks like a mule. IMHO buy a gas gun - you will appreciate it every time you pull the trigger.

Easy Test: Find a skeet field and bring one pump and one auto. One round of skeet and you'll know which one to buy. Very few pumps on skeet fields.

Home Defense: Weatherby Po8 has a tactical model which looks impressive. Stock + pistol grip, ghost ring sights, fiber optic front, ported choke. Not a sporting gun.

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QG. Your best bet would be to set up a range trip with some of your friends who own some semi and pump shotguns in both 20 and 12. Take the kids along, and all of you try some of the different ones that are there. That's how I discovered that a youth model 870 fits me better than the model 500 does. For me it was small hands and trigger placement that made the final decision an easy one. the model 500's trigger is too far forward on the gun for me to get a comfortable grip on the gun while firing it. Aside from that, it was a perfect fit.

20 gauge offerings are not as versatile as 12 offerings are, but pretty much any shell needed for target shooting and HD comes in both gauges.Target loads and buck shot cost about the same for either gauge, but specialty stuff is hard to find in 20. Both are just about equally effective for what they are made for.

If I had to nail it down to say 3 models:

Remington 870
Remington 11-87
Mossberg 500

All three are available in youth sizes, come in 12 or 20, and are available as combos. You get a field barrel and a slug or HD barrel as part of that combo. The 870 and the 500 have a large aftermarket following, so you can change out the stock and fore end, add a light, Mount a red dot scope or reflex sight, and throw on a shell holder i that is what you want to do. Just remember to keep your old parts in case you find that you liked it beter before the changes that were made.

Hope this helps.

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Quick Note : Express models - I prefer longer tubes for a smoother swing. The 28" is the best you can do and it only came w synthetic stocks n one choke. The laminate (looked like hell) came w 26" tube and all three chokes.

A 20 ga can do anything a 12 ga can w the exception of heavy cover and long range goose hunting.

Specialty rounds: Nonlethal rubber rds seem to be 12 ga only; I hope that will change in the future. The Mall Ninja flame thrower & flechette rds are still limited to 12 ga as well. (if that makes a difference to you)

Recoil -since the 20 ga is generally in a downsized or gauge appropriate ie lighter (svelte) frame, the recoil reduction is minimal but still noticeable.

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Bobski: how much do you have to spend to get a 12 ga w no recoil ?

I agree w you on light loads but not all autos can cycle them and I've always kinda wondered about the wisdom of shooting a 20 ga load in a 12 ga.

Most of the reloaders put 1oz loads in their 20 ga. While it only takes one pellet to score a hit, most like to put more shot in the air.

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I bought an 11-87 w wood m 870 w synth stocks. Both 20 ga and both have 28" tubes. The 11-87 has a hard rubber recoil pad while the 870 has the latest & greatest recoil pad.

The 11-87 is a pleasure to shoot and the 870 kicks like a mule. IMHO buy a gas gun - you will appreciate it every time you pull the trigger.

Easy Test: Find a skeet field and bring one pump and one auto. One round of skeet and you'll know which one to buy. Very few pumps on skeet fields.

Home Defense: Weatherby Po8 has a tactical model which looks impressive. Stock + pistol grip, ghost ring sights, fiber optic front, ported choke. Not a sporting gun.
I prefer the pump on the skeet field because its more of a challenge than just pulling the trigger.
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I have shot 12GA before, bird loads, which was OK. Granted it was a long time ago and the most memorable thing was my ex-husband and his dad thought it would be great to let me shoot his dads 12 GA with a 3 inch magnum. Uh not fun.

Lots of GREAT information, models and options. I wish I knew more people with 12 GA, semi and pump, and 20 GA of the same because I would love to test them out, and make sure we find a happy medium for wife, kids AND hubby!

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I think the 20 has an advantage on recoil and handling.point..
Sometimes. 20ga are usually lighter, so they have less weight ....very often that give the same result as a heavier 12 ga....but as you said, a pistol grip will make a difference.
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I prefer the pump on the skeet field because its more of a challenge than just pulling the trigger.
Same here I've only ever shoot 1 25 in skeet with my 870 though
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I prefer the pump on the skeet field because its more of a challenge than just pulling the trigger.
I wholeheartedly agree - it is more of a challenge. There are some people who can really handle a pump. Skeet is challenging enough w/o adding to it - IMHO

I do see a lot of hunters on the skeet fields just before hunting season. Pumps require some skill to handle smoothly and transition between targets. Yet, when you see someone who really knows how to handle one, it is something special.

Saw an older gent w 22 pump and he was faster than any auto. He might have been one of those professional shooters.
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Knoxx recoil recruiting stocks come in pistol grip. Then you could get 12g and be able to do it all. Also if you ever had to use it for HD you wouldn't feel the kick back your adrenalin would be pumping so much.

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