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Olympus 03-13-2013 03:31 PM

Why So Few Bullpups?
 
I wondered about this yesterday. With all the craze about SBRs, what aren't we seeing more companies offering a bullpup model? I had a real bad itch to buy a PS90 last year but just couldn't pay the price. I spent a lot of time fondling and it was ridiculously easy to point and carry. I kept asking if it was really a 16" barrel because it felt so short.

Maybe it's just me, but this seems like a huge untapped market. Especially if you could very the price around $1000 or less.

ShagNasty1001 03-13-2013 03:34 PM

I'm waiting on the Tavor's to come in so I can pick up one of them. I like the idea of bull pups. Especially as a truck gun. Here's a link. You can get them in 18" or 16.5"

http://tar21.com/IWI-tavor-tar21-rifle-iwi-us-civilian-carbines/

InDefenseofLiberty 03-13-2013 03:46 PM

I'm a big fan of the FN fs2000. One day for sure.
Oh yes it will be mine.

I want my standard AR to be set up varmint and one of these for cqb. A good writeup.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_24/316159_A_Complete_Review_and_Beginners_Guide_to_th e_FN_FS2000.html

RUG3R44 03-13-2013 03:47 PM

Most aren't (lefty) friendly, which leaves me out. Plus they're expensive.

Olympus 03-13-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RUG3R44 (Post 1174629)
Most aren't (lefty) friendly, which leaves me out. Plus they're expensive.

ARs aren't exactly lefty friendly either. And some of them are expensive too.

I'm wondering if the design is what dictates the high price on the bullpups?

They also seem to be more of a European thing. Have American manufacturers not caught the hint?

InDefenseofLiberty 03-13-2013 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Olympus (Post 1174643)

ARs aren't exactly lefty friendly either. And some of them are expensive too.

I'm wondering if the design is what dictates the high price on the bullpups?

They also seem to be more of a European thing. Have American manufacturers not caught the hint?

The reason they are more prevalent over there is the old architecture of the buildings and cities lends to much closer quarters than what we have here. 24"corridors make even a short AR too long to quickly turn around if needed.

I saw an Israeli special forces guy talking and demonstrating the close quarters they have, on the military channel. That's why they adopted the FN.

Bull pups are almost all different from each other (hence the high price) whereas AR's and AK's are relatively standardized.

JonM 03-13-2013 06:41 PM

They are unwieldy and not terribly user friendly with complicated linkages to connect trigger to sear. While a person can learn to be quick with one they are slow to reload due to fine muscle skill needed to reach back and manipulate the magazine in an unnatural location.

Bullpup designs also dont lend well to multi tasking as in they arent terribly good at hanging things like launchers designators or optics.

They arent new as several have been available since the late 80's. Our culture likes using what our military uses. Thats why the m1 carbine/garand 1903 m1a were so popular and why the ar15 is in everyone's closet. Despite the democrats attempts to de-man this nation we are still and will be for some time a military centered society.

Our second ammendment stems from the need for a strong civilian pool with military firearms in times of need. So until our culture changes or our govt adopts a bullpup they will only be a curiosity.

7point62 03-13-2013 07:18 PM

About 4-5 years ago I got into a discussion with an Australian NCO about the Steyr AUG. I remember he wasn't all that happy with the accuracy. He liked the quick-change barrel and ambidextrous features but a soldier has to take what his country gives him. So, if you're only used to a bullpup, then you get as good as you can with it and don't have much to compare it to, especially in countries with strict civilian gun regulation. And a lot of these bullpup designs are coming out of factories in Europe and fulfilling domestic or 3rd World military contracts. A whole generation of American kids are learning about these weapons playing video games so there's some curiosity about them. Personally, I want my mag near my mag-change hand and not under my armpit.

1911love 03-13-2013 08:52 PM

I held an AUG Stg77 in the early 90's and fell in love. Granted I was a child at the time, but the memory has stuck with me. A relative of mine was a Fed LEO and was issued it, the real deal select fire.

I too as an adult was suspicious of them bc I've always shot AR platforms. Last weekend I purchased a MSAR Stg-556 and love it. There just isn't a lot of info out there, so I'm researching like crazy. I posted here, but no answers to my probs yet.

Probs: 1913 rail is a tad too high for a proper cheek weld using my MeproLight M21M. Trigger needs help. Mags changes slower, mag carriers need to stay to the left or ride low. Mags are expensive and parts are hard to find.

I don't think BPs will ever catch on in the US, but they offer some serious advantages for specific uses, CQB, truck gun, clearing your house.

Gizord1 03-13-2013 09:29 PM

I want to get a bullpup stock for my SKS, when I get some extra cash. I love bullpup rifles, they're easy to maneuver with, shorter, and still pack the same punch!


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