[Broke124]

You could always build an AR-15 in 5.56 and get a .300 blackout barrel. I'm hearing that the .300 has a little more of a punch than the 7.62, and the round is completely interchangeable with the AR-15 platform. All you have to change is the barrel. I plan on investing in one soon.

"...rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." /G\

[Recon 173]

Why try to make something that you really don't need? Why not just buy an AK type rifle that uses the 7.62 X 39 ammo? That way you get a good quality rifle that is reliable, dependable magazines that will constantly work and use of the round that you like. You could get an Arsenal AK, Krebs or maybe a Valmet of some kind if you can find one. Get one with a folding stock and rails on it, mount the accessories of your choice and you're off and running.

Valmet Rifles

[cbibb]

I would recommend an ar in a 223 most 7.62/39 are steel laquerd and they do hang up some times and not the most accurate go 223 with a 1/7 or 1/8 can shoot a very wide variety of ammo get a flat top and accessorize scope red dot carry handle what ever you you like they have it but buy a good one i have a rock river 20inch heavy barrel weighs 9.5 lbs very accurate good ar runs around 1000 or so there are less expensive out there take your time and look good luck

[TekST165]

I love this thread.... Thank you guys. My personal opinion is that a lot of folks are overlooking the simple bueaty of the AR15 platform. You can easily have 1 lower and multiple uppers. In essence you can have your 762x39 and 556x45....as well as many other calibers all the way up to .50 beowulf. But tailor your purchase to your needs...if you need to reach out to beyond 600yds, by all means get a .308 AR platform, if your targets will typically be inside of 500yds get a quality AR15 and pick a caliber. If your more worried about durability than accuracy grab an M1A or an AK. Just my 2 cents. And yes i know this is an old topic...i just really liked it.

Ps. check out the Vepr Super chambered in .308win. ive heard its capable of <2 inch groups at 100yds all day long.

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by cbibb

I would recommend an ar in a 223 most 7.62/39 are steel laquerd and they do hang up some times and not the most accurate go 223 with a 1/7 or 1/8 can shoot a very wide variety of ammo get a flat top and accessorize scope red dot carry handle what ever you you like they have it but buy a good one i have a rock river 20inch heavy barrel weighs 9.5 lbs very accurate good ar runs around 1000 or so there are less expensive out there take your time and look good luck

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they stopped producing the lacquer coated stuff.

[therewolf]

I often considered the OP's question, till I realized the Russians

upgraded from the 762X39 to the 545X39 in order to

try to compete with the AR15.

IMO, save yourself trouble, get an AR10. Larger cartridge, original gun design,

problem solved.

[Timothy]

Think about it. You can choose an AR-15 and with people saying that you should use the 6.8 SPC or the 6.5 Grendel which are great rounds. They do not have proof of this and where in the world are you gonna find that much rounds available to you? They sure as hell aint gonna be cheap and not many people own these rifles using these cartridges. When SHTF people will mostly be using the more common cartridges like the 9mm, 22, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 5.56x45 or the .223 Rem. If you were thinking about getting the FAL just because of its fire power than its not going to do much for you. A good shot to the head or heart would drop a man down and he would most likely die, even a 9mm could do that, so you dont really need to use a 7.62x51 cartridge to get the job done. Now the AK is accurate, depending on the shooter and which caliber. If you know the basic fundamentals of shooting a rifle and you have been training with an AK, you would be able to hit 300m out no problem. If you are more about doing some damage, the 7.62x39 is a great choice, it goes through thin layers of metal, or concrete or even people like butter, so you should not have a problem. Now if you are about accuracy, but still wanna go for an AK because of its durability, reliability and its ease of maintenance, then go with the AK-74. The 5.45x39 is called the poison bullet for a reason. It's because it does serious damage to a person. One it makes contact with human flesh it would start tumbling like crazy and would mess you up real good, and the ammo is as cheap as dirt too and you can hit out to 400-500m no problem. With the AR you can hit out to 800m but let me ask you this, do you need to hit that far? Is it necessary to snipe people out that far in an urban environment? Most encounters would be under a 100m, and the AK-47 is accurate enough to get the job done. And the ammo is becoming more used, and the platform is famous, so you would most likely be able to find some one else using the same platform and you would increase your chances of encountering more ammunition. So in the end, the AK-47 would be the best choice IMHO and many others too.

[therewolf]

I guess in many instances it boils down to

Perfect for whom?


Perfect for what?

ARs are accurate, relatively dependable, and light.

The 7.62x39 round, itself, has many advantages, but the

rifles which primarily use it have extreme ease of maintenance

in common.

Put simply, you can field strip, and clean or repair, an AK or SKS

while moving down the trail. They even come with built-in cleaning

kits.You also sacrifice accuracy, CBM becomes an issue after 250 yards.

Perfect for you may not be perfect for me.

I don't view the AR in 7.62 x 39 as the "perfect" gun.

Obviously, to many others, combloc guns also suck...