[locutus]

You are not required to keep records.

There is no way for them to know if you are truthful when you tell them that you sold it to a great big Indian with a long, red beard, or a little one eyed black guy, or a Klingon warrior.

Or you traded it for that sweet old coondawg on the porch.

[silverado113]

Originally Posted by axxe55

thanks for the information Silverado.

personally, my mailing address and physical address are the same, so for me it's a no-brainer! just wantd to ask the question as i was curious and it migh help someone else out.

In the end it's up to the dealer and some won't accept a utility bill even though it's okay to do according to the ATF.

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by locutus

You are not required to keep records.

There is no way for them to know if you are truthful when you tell them that you sold it to a great big Indian with a long, red beard, or a little one eyed black guy, or a Klingon warrior.

Or you traded it for that sweet old coondawg on the porch.

hey, i like sweet old coondawgs!

[70cuda383]

so on the federal level, a CCW holder has already gone through the required background checks and can walk in and buy any weapon without the forms or dealer calling a background check?

that's interesting that the Feds will allow that, although some states don't.

I was thinking about this yesterday as I was buying a new handgun. Did I want to present my CCW license and see if I could skip all that? or just go through the same checks as anyone else.

I decided that part of being a CCW holder means to not broadcast to everyone that you're a CCW holder, even if you're "among friends" in a gun store, so I made no mention of holding a license, and just filled out the paperwork like any other schmuck in the store.

As I continued to think about it, what if I had gone through all the checks and acquired my CCW permit, but then 2 years later, committed some crime, I might fail a NICS check, but still hold the permit, no?

On a side note, what I saw and heard while in the gun store was actually somewhat scarey. the kinds of questions people were asking, it was painfully obvious that it was their first time ever in a gun store, and first time ever buying a weapon, and that they had absolutely no idea about weapons or safe weapons handling, or ANY kind of experience around weapons. Now, god bless them for deciding to arm themselves, but holy crap, it's scarey to think that these people who don't know anything about guns, with no experience whatsoever about guns, are buying guns as fast as they can.

[krosskelt]

Originally Posted by 70cuda383

so on the federal level, a CCW holder has already gone through the required background checks and can walk in and buy any weapon without the forms or dealer calling a background check?

that's interesting that the Feds will allow that, although some states don't.

I was thinking about this yesterday as I was buying a new handgun. Did I want to present my CCW license and see if I could skip all that? or just go through the same checks as anyone else.

I decided that part of being a CCW holder means to not broadcast to everyone that you're a CCW holder, even if you're "among friends" in a gun store, so I made no mention of holding a license, and just filled out the paperwork like any other schmuck in the store.

As I continued to think about it, what if I had gone through all the checks and acquired my CCW permit, but then 2 years later, committed some crime, I might fail a NICS check, but still hold the permit, no?

On a side note, what I saw and heard while in the gun store was actually somewhat scarey. the kinds of questions people were asking, it was painfully obvious that it was their first time ever in a gun store, and first time ever buying a weapon, and that they had absolutely no idea about weapons or safe weapons handling, or ANY kind of experience around weapons. Now, god bless them for deciding to arm themselves, but holy crap, it's scarey to think that these people who don't know anything about guns, with no experience whatsoever about guns, are buying guns as fast as they can.

The gun shop I go to runs a check every time for that reason. He says the state is so flooded with new applications that they can't keep up with the checking of current holders.

I've also seen him tell people that they have to comeback because he can't get thru to get approved for a purchase if they don't seem responsible. Says he has refused people for being complete idiots, but haven't seen that first hand.

[c3shooter]

FWIW- there are SOME state CCWs that substitute for NICS. Some do not. If you need a list of the states that DO- it is on line in the ATF stuff. Exercise your Google-fu.

Yes, NICS gets backed up- especially lately, with the flood of new buyers. Yes, dealer can refuse a sale. Including if he thinks you are a twit.

As far as stupid questions in a gun shop- what a GREAT place to ask them! If you have a good gun shop. It is called bonding with your future customers, customer service, etc.

We also also some pretty damed dumb questions here. Rarely do we tell the person asking it that it is a dumb question. Don't discourage people from seeking information.

[silverado113]

Originally Posted by 70cuda383

so on the federal level, a CCW holder has already gone through the required background checks and can walk in and buy any weapon without the forms or dealer calling a background check?

that's interesting that the Feds will allow that, although some states don't.

I was thinking about this yesterday as I was buying a new handgun. Did I want to present my CCW license and see if I could skip all that? or just go through the same checks as anyone else.

I decided that part of being a CCW holder means to not broadcast to everyone that you're a CCW holder, even if you're "among friends" in a gun store, so I made no mention of holding a license, and just filled out the paperwork like any other schmuck in the store.

As I continued to think about it, what if I had gone through all the checks and acquired my CCW permit, but then 2 years later, committed some crime, I might fail a NICS check, but still hold the permit, no?

On a side note, what I saw and heard while in the gun store was actually somewhat scarey. the kinds of questions people were asking, it was painfully obvious that it was their first time ever in a gun store, and first time ever buying a weapon, and that they had absolutely no idea about weapons or safe weapons handling, or ANY kind of experience around weapons. Now, god bless them for deciding to arm themselves, but holy crap, it's scarey to think that these people who don't know anything about guns, with no experience whatsoever about guns, are buying guns as fast as they can.

You can also comitt a crime 10 minutes after passing a NICS check as well. So does NICS really prevent someone from committing a crime with a firearm? 99% of my customers hold secret clearances so I'll take my chances with them.

[Popeye77]

Hoss are forming a pattern here??

[owdiss]

Iowa if you have ccw they don't have to call in the check still have to do the paper work it is nice just go in buy what u want hand your permit over to dealer and right the number on papers then on your way home

[robocop10mm]

Originally Posted by partdeux

And the BATF has stormed into some gun shops demanding to copy the forms.

What? ATF does not HAVE to "storm" into an FFL to get the info. They can go during normal business hours and look at the 4473's all they want. Why ould you want to inflame the situation like that? "Oh no, here come the jackbooted thugs". Get over your self

Originally Posted by clr8ter

But the thing is, if the paper trail stops at your door, YOU will probably be held responsible.....

And exactly how are you "going to be held responsible"? If you sell a car and it later turns up plowed into a crowd of people, they are going to charge you with leaving the scene of an accident? WTH to you come up with this crap? Stop posting out of the side of your neck and get real. Deliberately inflaming a situation with exaggeration is a characteristic of troll.

Originally Posted by clr8ter

Glad it worked out. But COULD they make a federal case out of it if they wanted to?

And what "Federal case" are they going to make? Once again trollish behavior.