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Old 02-25-2011, 03:50 AM   #11
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If you are restricting your choice by this http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f25/whats-good-budget-non-assault-rifle-38935/#post452723, then I would suggest you buy one of these:

Ruger Tactical Mini14, .223, ~$700

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Unfortunately there aren't that many "sporting" semi autos out there to choose from. At least none that hold enough ammo to hold enough off. For serous defense, you'll have to pick from the military type rifles. A good scum bad prosecuting attorney can paint you as an unstable gun nut for your choice of defense. Myself,they can kiss my a$$! I'll use anything I damn well please. I never really gave it much thought. I guess if I felt that strongly about it, I'd go with a lever gun. With practice I'll bet you can get pretty fast. Were you live will have a lot to do with a jury, should you find yourself facing one.

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If you are restricting your choice by this http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f25/whats-good-budget-non-assault-rifle-38935/#post452723, then I would suggest you buy one of these:

Ruger Tactical Mini14, .223, ~$700

Again, it could be made to influence people that its an, "assault rifle". Remember the Miami Shoot Out? + its black. Black guns are bad!
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I am looking to get a few firearms (shotgun, rifle, pistol) for security mostly. I hope to make this a one-time purchase and pray I don't become addicted to them during my "getting to know you" period with my guns. I am very new to all of this so please keep that in mind.

What is a good budget semi-auto rifle that is not classified as an "assault rifle"? I don't want any legal headaches if someone does get hurt, God forbid. I would like something with stopping power but I also don't want a round that can't be stopped. I would guess anything over 200-300 yards would be overkill but you folks would know better than I would. I was looking at the 7.62x39 round but I would think that would be strictly an "assault" rifle round... but then again, I have no idea. Any recommendations?
Couple of things to consider...if and when you ever have to use a gun to defend yourself you are going to have legal headaches, doesn't matter if you use an AR-15, a Mini 14, a shotgun, a .22 pistol or a pointy stick.

A 7.62mm round is what is used in an AK 47 and an M-14 I believe, it has way too much power and speed to be considered a primary, in the home defense weapon...a handgun or better yet a shotgun would be, and are, my first choices, YMMV.

Now regarding this assault weapon stuff, the libs coined that phrase to scare people into going along with their gun banning efforts. After all, who could be against banning an assault weapon? Do you know that in NJ certain toy guns are banned because they fail the "assault weapon" test for having too many "evil gun" features. Learn to avoid that phrase, it pizzes a lot of people here off and labels you as a newb, or worse it raises a red flag about your intentions here.
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if you dont want to go assault rifle there is the ruger mini-14 (223) that is an old fashion looking rifle but you can get 30 rounds magazines and they even make one in the 7.62x39. mosserg 500 pump shotguns can be bought for around $300 and they are very riable. if you only want to spend $400 or less on a pistol here are some choice. ruger p-89, ruger p-90, smith and wesson sigma, ruger sr9, ruger sr40. anything that is a black gun that resembles a machine gun is an assault weapon. eventhough there are hunting rifles that are old school rifles and have more powerful loads bullet for bullet than the ar-15 and ak-47. people love ar-15 and other guns like it just because the way it looks. that is why so many companies came out with rifles that look like ar-15's but shoot 22 caliber.

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my opinion is dont worry about the legal ramifications of using one gun over another. just make sure its a clean shoot.

for a non assault rifle i'd go with the sks. it's chambered in 7.62x39 and is a good gun. look for one with a milled receiver preferably. i'd use soft points for self defense

the lever action idea is a good one, except i'd go with a pistol caliber round in the carbine. mostly because it will have less over penetration and the ammo will be cheaper.

another good option would be an M1 Garand. it's only and 8 shot, but it's 8 shots of 30-06

if you change your mind about the assault style rifle, then i'd go with an ak style rifle. they're chambered in the round you mentioned and can be had for 400-600. an ar is going to run you 600-1000.

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Please pay attention to the phrasing of the above posts.

We all do know that the AR in AR-15 (and others) stands for Armalite, right?

We are all smart enough to realize that the definitions of the Clinton Ban are just about as reasonable and well thought out as Shamwows, right?

Rifles are rifles. Handguns are handguns. Rocket launchers are rocket launchers. Not all toilet paper is the same.

For home defense, I will back the suggestions of a shotgun. Many loads these days can take down the bad guys and you don't have to worry as much about over-penetration. Powerful rifle rounds will pass through the bg, the wall behind the bg and the good person behind the wall. Defensive handgun ammo is less likely to do the same as it transfers the energy to the bg.

But, any gun is better than no gun when defending yourself and your loved ones.

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Now regarding this assault weapon stuff, the libs coined that phrase to scare people into going along with their gun banning efforts. After all, who could be against banning an assault weapon? Do you know that in NJ certain toy guns are banned because they fail the "assault weapon" test for having too many "evil gun" features. Learn to avoid that phrase, it pizzes a lot of people here off and labels you as a newb, or worse it raises a red flag about your intentions here.
Why do you think I'm asking what I'm asking? It's not because of what I think... it's the a$$holes around me that can effect me with their ignorance. You should read my post closer were I stated I am new to this... but that doesn't change the fact that I don't give a damn about how you want to label me
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Again, it could be made to influence people that its an, "assault rifle". Remember the Miami Shoot Out? + its black. Black guns are bad!
lol... i know right...
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my opinion is dont worry about the legal ramifications of using one gun over another. just make sure its a clean shoot.

for a non assault rifle i'd go with the sks. it's chambered in 7.62x39 and is a good gun. look for one with a milled receiver preferably. i'd use soft points for self defense

the lever action idea is a good one, except i'd go with a pistol caliber round in the carbine. mostly because it will have less over penetration and the ammo will be cheaper.

another good option would be an M1 Garand. it's only and 8 shot, but it's 8 shots of 30-06

if you change your mind about the assault style rifle, then i'd go with an ak style rifle. they're chambered in the round you mentioned and can be had for 400-600. an ar is going to run you 600-1000.
If I do wind up going with an assault style rifle I was looking at the Lancaster AK-47 (3076-478M) but if I can find something as I mentioned here I will probably go with that.
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