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Old 06-02-2012, 03:36 PM   #131
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ICON,

The thought of babying an AR Rifle is a farce! If you get a good one they are very dependable, easy to reload and better yet, very accurate! Here are some of the good ones:

Rock River Arms
Stag Arms
Daniel Defense
CMMG
LMT
Spikes Tactical
Colt

If the SHTF you can bet I will have one with me without a doubt! And as you stated also a good pistol. A bunch of good pistol manufacturers out there! Too many to mention.

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Old 06-03-2012, 12:09 AM   #132
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Here ya go, this explains it pretty well. Enjoy.

http://how-i-did-it.org/762vs308/chamber.html
OK, you're right, I'm not going to argue with you. Because it won't

be my rifle blowing up in my face, when you do the

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Old 06-03-2012, 04:04 AM   #133
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OK, you're right, I'm not going to argue with you. Because it won't

be my rifle blowing up in my face, when you do the

wrong thing.
Show me load data in any manual that lists the 7.62 different than the 308!

I have a AR chambered in 7.62 Nato, find me data for it, according to you I cannot use 308 data. I have Nosler #4, #6, Hornady #7, Lyman 48 Speer #13 and Sierra #5. Tell me what page I can find specific 7.62 Nato load data.

Never mind, don't waist your time looking you can't find it because it does not exist. Why is that??? Thousands and thousand of 7.62 Nato chambered rifles out there and not one page of load data?? Odd, very odd in deed. Must be because the 308 and the 7.62 are identical.
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Show me load data in any manual that lists the 7.62 different than the 308!

I have a AR chambered in 7.62 Nato, find me data for it, according to you I cannot use 308 data. I have Nosler #4, #6, Hornady #7, Lyman 48 Speer #13 and Sierra #5. Tell me what page I can find specific 7.62 Nato load data.

Never mind, don't waist your time looking you can't find it because it does not exist. Why is that??? Thousands and thousand of 7.62 Nato chambered rifles out there and not one page of load data?? Odd, very odd in deed. Must be because the 308 and the 7.62 are identical.
They are identical, however case capacity is ever so slightly diminished in 7.62x51 brass as compared to .308. It isn't much, but could cause slightly higher pressures. You are also right about not finding it any manuals though as those usually list their loads for a particular brand of brass, and it isn't common to see any surplus brass used. I wouldn't hesitate to use commercial .308 Win in a 7.62 semi-auto rifle, and wouldn't worry about it blowing up.
If one wants to worry about a rifle being unsafe with a similar cartridge, what about the thousands of CETMEs and other Spain Mauser carbines imported that were made for the 7.62 CETME and the importers are touting them all as .308s. The 7.62 CETME is a much lower pressure cartridge, and these rifles were all proofed for it...not 7.62 NATO.
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Well then, the data seems to speak for itself. Seeing as how no evidence has come to light to refute the claim that they are identical, I'll be believing that they are. Thanks!
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Well then, the data seems to speak for itself. Seeing as how no evidence has come to light to refute the claim that they are identical, I'll be believing that they are. Thanks!
There ya go, just to what you always do and start low and work up.
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