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Old 09-30-2013, 04:39 PM   #21
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The AR is a simpler design because it does away with the separate piston assembly. The rest is a matter of opinion. As stated above field stripping does not require bolt disassembly.

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I don't think I would cite r lee ermy as a real, reliable, or knowledgable source heh.

The only tricky thing with either platform is making sure the bolt is full forward on assembly.

With the ar15 you put the charging handle in then the bcg on the ak you line up the bcg with the reciever slots and fiddle the recoil spring assembly in. Its a wash which is harder bout the same.

As to the original question. You need to look at the piston system and see how easy servicing it is. Most ar15 piston systems are moderately difficult to service.

If your deadset against di ar15's I would go ak47.

I would rank them as ar15 di>ak47>>>>>>>>>>>ar15 piston
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Good call Jon .
The one down side to a piston AR is getting replacement parts quickly . Most any shop around here has all DI parts on hand . Now saying that there isnt really that much that can go wrong with either system ,The only proprietary parts in the piston is the adjustable gas block , piston , and the BCG and or gas key depending on the kit . Everyone says they are cleaner . Well I guess the Lower stays cleaner but the gasses just release under the hand guard now so its dirtier under the hand guard more than the DI which is a moot point anyway for people that keep their firearm clean .



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I don't think I would cite r lee ermy as a real, reliable, or knowledgable source heh.

The only tricky thing with either platform is making sure the bolt is full forward on assembly.

With the ar15 you put the charging handle in then the bcg on the ak you line up the bcg with the reciever slots and fiddle the recoil spring assembly in. Its a wash which is harder bout the same.

As to the original question. You need to look at the piston system and see how easy servicing it is. Most ar15 piston systems are moderately difficult to service.

If your deadset against di ar15's I would go ak47.

I would rank them as ar15 di>ak47>>>>>>>>>>>ar15 piston
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I don't think I would cite r lee ermy as a real, reliable, or knowledgable source heh.

The only tricky thing with either platform is making sure the bolt is full forward on assembly.

With the ar15 you put the charging handle in then the bcg on the ak you line up the bcg with the reciever slots and fiddle the recoil spring assembly in. Its a wash which is harder bout the same.

As to the original question. You need to look at the piston system and see how easy servicing it is. Most ar15 piston systems are moderately difficult to service.

If your deadset against di ar15's I would go ak47.

I would rank them as ar15 di>ak47>>>>>>>>>>>ar15 piston
Emery wasen't the one field stripping the rifles. Also, History channel made the show, Emery just hosted it.
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Emery wasen't the one field stripping the rifles. Also, History channel made the show, Emery just hosted it.
The history channel thinks sasquatch is the space alien that built the pyramids too...

My point is the history channel and factual programming only come into contact at about the same rate as a dozen monkeys whacking out shakespeare on typewriters.
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The history channel thinks sasquatch is the space alien that built the pyramids too...

My point is the history channel and factual programming only come into contact at about the same rate as a dozen monkeys whacking out shakespeare on typewriters.
But is that not a clear video of an M-16 and an AK-47 being field stripped side by side, with one being vastly superior in terms of quickness and simplicity? Whether History channel is wack or not has nothing to do with the clip at the 2:00 minute mark, as it seems pretty free from any bias.

I'm fully aware of how well AR-15s are designed, I just posted that clip because qualms were arising about field stripping AR-15 vs AK.
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Really, you can't go wrong with either platform. I think that is getting missed.

I was saying as someone who has seen problems with Direct Impingment and is familiar with both platforms I still think the AR-15 is overall easier to own. The difference in maintenance is minimal, they are both simple weapons to maintain.
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All those years ago. Back in the day the instructions from Colt was "Don't Worry". If you are using this rifle in Tropical conditions clean only 2 times per year. When using this rifle in the Northern Hemisphere you will only need to clean this firearm one time in a year. No cleaning kits were provided. Only a small percentage of user were gun savvy. They kept them running with brake cleaner.
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No, no one else, I was talking about you... there is quite a difference between asking for advice and asking for an opinion...

I couldn't care less if a Ph.D recipient tells me something is fact, am I expected to just suck up what someone tells me as 'holy' gospel? You know DI AR-s... you have years of experience with them while I have basically zero with any gun... however my philosophy for DI ARs is, Do not crap where you eat... aka do not dump powder "CRAP" in the operating mechanincs.

DI system just doesn't seem practical to me when there are other systems that port the gasses and "GRIME" to places gas and "GRIME" should be exported. The only way my mind could change on them would be extensive use of a DI AR to find out how long it takes to "GUNK" up the cycling system, something I just do not have the resources to do at the moment.

I am thinking in terms of multiple watch post periods where that rifle can not be down even for 15 minutes of field stripping, less one loses their life. I have no idea how long it would take to muddy the action of a DI AR to the point that malfunctions start occuring, so I can only hypothesize that a piston syste would fit my needs and my personal comforts better.
What kind of ammo do you shoot?!?! I'm not worried about my ammo being so dirty that it causes my rifle to fail.

Seriously, if the DI system wasn't reliable, why would the most well funded and best trained military in the WORLD still be using it?????

If it wasn't reliable, why would all of the vets on this site use it in their civilian life??

FWIW, the BCG has a carrier key on it that traps most of the "gunk" as you call it.
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