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Old 08-24-2010, 12:50 PM   #51
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"If I can get away with spending $300 on it, great."

Try a Keltec 2000 carbine. $300 and folds down to 16 Inches to fit in side your sling range bag. Comes in 9mm or 40 and can use the same mags as your pistol.



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"If I can get away with spending $300 on it, great."

Try a Keltec 2000 carbine. $300 and folds down to 16 Inches to fit in side your sling range bag. Comes in 9mm or 40 and can use the same mags as your pistol.
Certainly a nifty little carbine. I like the idea of being able to share magazines.
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For SHTF there is no way a pistol caliber will do the duty. Some folks think .223 is not enough.

If the budget was not an issue, I'd vote for a semi-auto .308 unit. There are quite a few battle ready units.

It comes down to pretty much 4 choices, Mini-14 (or Mini-30), SKS, AK, and AR. I own three of the four. From military service, the AR feels natural. The AK is rough, ugly, and no so accurate. The AK leads me to believe it can not be stopped. The cheapest ammo, cheapest mags, worst care, drop it, drag it, beat it, and it still goes bang. The Mini-14 is a bit more refined, and more ammo picky. Not a good thing for SHTF and shooting scrounged ammo.

Fun concept and nice thread...

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I would go with the Saiga in .308, that's what I did. Incredibly simple gun, .308 caliber and to me a SHTF gun needs to be able to take down any animals in your area without much difficulty. That means pistol calibers are out IMO.

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I would go with the Saiga in .308, that's what I did. Incredibly simple gun, .308 caliber and to me a SHTF gun needs to be able to take down any animals in your area without much difficulty. That means pistol calibers are out IMO.
I have seen similar posts about the Saiga in .308. I'm curious to know how it compares accuracy-wise to some of the other .308 semi-auto options out there. I know it won't be on the level of an M1A.

Could I expect it to be more accurate than one chambered in 7.62x39? Or is that kind of apples & oranges? I figure there has to be some common ground between a Saiga in 7.62 and one in .308 considering the rifle doesn't change all that much between the two (same barrel length, etc).
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For SHTF there is no way a pistol caliber will do the duty. Some folks think .223 is not enough.

If the budget was not an issue, I'd vote for a semi-auto .308 unit. There are quite a few battle ready units.

It comes down to pretty much 4 choices, Mini-14 (or Mini-30), SKS, AK, and AR.
Would you mind listing some of your choice .308 semi-autos? I can only think of the two mentioned previously (Saiga & M1A).

Along the AR lines I would still consider doing a $600 build. Any reason not to go the route of a Keltec SU16 or something of that nature? Component/barrel life would probably get in the way there..
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I have seen similar posts about the Saiga in .308. I'm curious to know how it compares accuracy-wise to some of the other .308 semi-auto options out there. I know it won't be on the level of an M1A.

Could I expect it to be more accurate than one chambered in 7.62x39? Or is that kind of apples & oranges? I figure there has to be some common ground between a Saiga in 7.62 and one in .308 considering the rifle doesn't change all that much between the two (same barrel length, etc).
You may be surprised by the Saiga .308 accuracy. There is a post in the semi auto rifle area about the accuracy of the .308. Pics are posted, and they are impressive.

My Saiga 7.62x39 is way more accurate than any of my AK's.
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You may be surprised by the Saiga .308 accuracy. There is a post in the semi auto rifle area about the accuracy of the .308. Pics are posted, and they are impressive.

My Saiga 7.62x39 is way more accurate than any of my AK's.
Just checked out that thread.. impressive indeed! Enough to get me excited about one. Sadly I can't say the same thing about the ammo cost
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Just checked out that thread.. impressive indeed! Enough to get me excited about one. Sadly I can't say the same thing about the ammo cost
At least surp 7.62x51 is showing up again. Aim has had some good deals lately.

And, I do not shoot the Wolf in my M14's, but would do so through a Saiga.
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400 rounds of "radway green" surplus .308 with a free ammo can for $170 at Ammunition .

They did have some interesting FAL rifles in .308 on another page, bout $650 i bleve.

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