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Gestapo Hunter 03-03-2009 01:25 AM

question about owniing assualt weapon in the USA.
 
How is it done? Do you need some kind of license? Do you have to join the police force or the military to have the privilege of owning a assault weapon?
Is there a limit on the amount you can have?

Cnynrat 03-03-2009 04:50 AM

We are trying to create a different impression here at FirearmsTalk, so we now refer to these guns as Sport Utility Rifles (SURs).

There was a ban against US citizens owning SURs. This was at a time before I was interested in SURs, so I'm not sure of the details of how this law was written. This law was enacted at some point during Clinton's reign, and it expired under President Bush. Since the expiration, people in most states are free to purchase and own SURs so long as they are only capable of semi-automatic fire. The normal restrictions on the purchase and ownership of weapons applies, so nobody convicted of a crime, nobody who's mentally unstable, etc, etc.. I'm believe there are still minimum barrel length requirements, and a few other requirements, but I'm not sure about all the specifics for states outside of Kalifornia. Someone who lives in one of those states might chime in with the details.

I happen to live in Kalifornia. Our state government has had the wisdom to impose additional restrictions on the ownership of SUR's. [Not sure if this comes across right to non-native English speakers, so just to be sure, the previous statement is an example of sarcasm. In other words, wisdom is the last thing you would ever expect from a Kalifornia politician.] Here in Kalifornia, there are certain features that have been determined to be evil, and it is not permitted to own a gun with these evil features. If you follow the link I've posted below it will take you to a nice interactive flowchart. Answer the questions in the flowchart and it will tell you whether or not the weapon in question is legal (Props to CalGuns for the flowchart, a great forum for those of us stuck here in Kali BTW).

CalGuns Foundation AW Flowchart

Basically, what we do here in CA is use SURs with magazines with the capacity for no more than 10 rounds, and modify the weapon so that it requires a tool to detach the magazine (this makes it a non-detachable magazine according to the law). There are a few other things to be aware of (barrel length, overall length, certain specific weapon models on lists maintained by the government, etc.), but that is the crux of the issue. The tool most often used is the tip of a bullet, hence you will hear the term "bullet button" used to describe the type of mag release we use. Interestingly enough, the law specifically identifies a bullet as a permissible tool for this purpose. We're either incredibly lucky, or somebody had a lot of foresight when that law was written.

Gestapo Hunter 03-03-2009 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cnynrat (Post 77395)
We are trying to create a different impression here at FirearmsTalk, so we now refer to these guns as Sport Utility Rifles (SURs).

There was a ban against US citizens owning SURs. This was at a time before I was interested in SURs, so I'm not sure of the details of how this law was written. This law was enacted at some point during Clinton's reign, and it expired under President Bush. Since the expiration, people in most states are free to purchase and own SURs so long as they are only capable of semi-automatic fire. The normal restrictions on the purchase and ownership of weapons applies, so nobody convicted of a crime, nobody who's mentally unstable, etc, etc.. I'm believe there are still minimum barrel length requirements, and a few other requirements, but I'm not sure about all the specifics for states outside of Kalifornia. Someone who lives in one of those states might chime in with the details.

I happen to live in Kalifornia. Our state government has had the wisdom to impose additional restrictions on the ownership of SUR's. [Not sure if this comes across right to non-native English speakers, so just to be sure, the previous statement is an example of sarcasm. In other words, wisdom is the last thing you would ever expect from a Kalifornia politician.] Here in Kalifornia, there are certain features that have been determined to be evil, and it is not permitted to own a gun with these evil features. If you follow the link I've posted below it will take you to a nice interactive flowchart. Answer the questions in the flowchart and it will tell you whether or not the weapon in question is legal (Props to CalGuns for the flowchart, a great forum for those of us stuck here in Kali BTW).

CalGuns Foundation AW Flowchart

Basically, what we do here in CA is use SURs with magazines with the capacity for no more than 10 rounds, and modify the weapon so that it requires a tool to detach the magazine (this makes it a non-detachable magazine according to the law). There are a few other things to be aware of (barrel length, overall length, certain specific weapon models on lists maintained by the government, etc.), but that is the crux of the issue. The tool most often used is the tip of a bullet, hence you will hear the term "bullet button" used to describe the type of mag release we use. Interestingly enough, the law specifically identifies a bullet as a permissible tool for this purpose. We're either incredibly lucky, or somebody had a lot of foresight when that law was written.

wow this thing confusing....:(

dragunovsks 03-03-2009 05:19 AM

Most firearms owners don't really like to use the term "Assault Rifle" or "Assault Weapon". The reason is these are terms that are applied to firearms that look like machine guns. These terms are used mainly by the media here because they are incapable of understanding the differences between an M-16 and an AR-15. They may look the same but they are different, mostly internally.

In all actually any weapon that is used in an assault (of another human being) can be considered an "Assault Weapon". Ball bats, knives, broom handles, rocks, hand tools or a heavy skillet can all be assault weapons. Example: If you beat someone with your fist and are arrested, you commeted "assault". Therefore your fist can be considered an assault weapon. Of course you won't hear the media in America admit anything like this. It's common sence and the media has none.

Gatekeeper 03-03-2009 06:04 AM

I always understood the definition of an As--salt rifle as being a select-fire weapon firing an intermediate powered cartridge.
The liberal media grabbed onto the catch phrase and have promoted it to the point that even gun owners are referring to semi-automatic rifles as asult-rifles. Seems they're winning the propaganda battle.
You can buy a semi look-alike in most juristictions- but to own a true select-fire/full auto aslt-rifle, MG, or SMG you need to submit to extensive backround checks, get consent from local heads of law enforcement, pay fed excise tax and then...maybe be allowed to cough up the many thousands of dollars to actually buy one
I personally don't know anyone that has one
my .02---Ken

canebrake 03-03-2009 06:25 AM

Not me, I just got me a deer rifle.

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canebrake 03-03-2009 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gestapo Hunter (Post 77292)
How is it done?

$$ CA$H BUCKS

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Do you need some kind of license?
NO

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Do you have to join the police force or the military to have the privilege of owning a assault weapon?
NO

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Is there a limit on the amount you can have?
$$ CA$H BUCKS


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janikphoto 03-03-2009 06:42 AM

It is an assault-style rifle, but is definitely not an actual assault rifle. Well, I guess there are a few full auto with all the brady bill bits and pieces available for sale to the general public, but 99% of firearms enthusiasts don't own those.

matt g 03-03-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by canebrake (Post 77444)

****in' A!

robocop10mm 03-03-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gestapo Hunter (Post 77401)
wow this thing confusing....:(

It is confusing because the Anti-Gunners have tried to convince the public that there is no difference between an M-16 and an AR-15. They have spent millions of dolllars and we are now trying to play catch up. Myths and falshoods must be reversed.

Sports Utility Rifles AKA. Anti-Assault Rifles (used to repel or deter an assault) are legal to own w/o restriction everywhere in America. Kalifornia is not a part of America any longer. It was granted independence as the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia.


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