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Old 10-13-2009, 02:18 AM   #11
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I have heard, though, that the much longer barrel of a carbine will actually SLOW the round down. The round speeds up through the first part of the barrel, then it begins to slow down when the fast-burning pistol ammo powder has been used. I've heard that reloading yourself, using slower burning powder can combat this.
Really? even in a barrel thats only 16"? Maybe a long barrel and a fast burning pistol round would cause excessive friction, but out of a 16" carbine barrell I seriously doubt that would be an issue. But I have been wrong before. Many times.
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If you get carried away with barrel length you'll lose velocity, but in a 16" carbine barrel you will gain.
Federal 124 gr. FMJ (these are PROJECTED, not chronographed velocities)
Yards Velocity
0 - 1120
10 - 1098.5
20 - 1078.7
30 - 1060.4
40 - 1043.4
50 - 1027.5
60 - 1012.5
70 - 998.4
80 - 985.1
90 - 972.4
100 - 960.3

Federal 180 gr. HI-Shock JHP
0 - 990
10 - 978.2
20 - 966.8
30 - 956
40 - 945.4
50 - 935.5
60 - 925.8
70 - 916.4
80 - 907.3
90 - 895.5
100 - 889.9
At 100 yards the 9mm drops 15.59 inches, the 40 S&W drops 19.15 inches.
I have these tables out to 300 yards if you want them I can try to scan them as they are from a training manual, not my ballistics program. Based on 0' altitude, 59 degrees F, wind @1mph from 0300.
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Does the Thompson count? I'd like to have one of those and an MP5A2 or MP5SD.
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Does the Thompson count? I'd like to have one of those and an MP5A2 or MP5SD.
What distinguishes an SMG from a pistol caliber carbine? Is it just whether its FA or SA?

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Old 10-14-2009, 01:56 AM   #15
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I say get what you can afford, experiment, see what works for you, Ive had a leveraction Rossi 92 PUMA in .38/357caliber didnet have the range I thought it would have + the loading gate prevented topping the mag.
I had a semiauto Ruger .44 mag carbine (mfg1973) that shot ok, pretty accurately at 100 yds, less drop than my 45-70, problem was reloading that damn tube mag was hard to thumb in fresh rounds (not as easy as one thinks) and it was feeding slow in cold temps (10 degrees and colder it would turn into a straight pull rifle) after $130 work by a good (not great gunsmith) I sold it due to the cold straight pull rifle function issues.
used the money to buy a S&W revolver.
A few years back I got a blown-up Hi-Point 995 a semi auto in 9mm somebody shot hot reloads in it and damaged it, sent it in (my cost a little over $14 mailing it to OHIO from NW-AK) I got it back they repaired the carbine (looked new to me) It is a pistol caliber carbine it holds 8 rounds in the mags I have, its functioned just fine at -23F temps that the Ruger .44Carbine choked on, After getting the sights adjusted its not hard to hit all 8 shots on a 2 gallon antifreeze jug at 175 yards, opensights off a rested position (off the back my snowmobile) dopeing wind you move in closer, we used to hold distance shooting with hand guns the 9mms I shot did good (Helwan Bregaider and a 1940 Lahti) used to hit a steel 5 gallon bucket at 249yds along the beach off the Bluff
I think get the Hi-Point if you dont like it trade up!
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What distinguishes an SMG from a pistol caliber carbine? Is it just whether its FA or SA?

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I would imagine that the 'machine gun' part is the difference. Both weapons that I mentioned have shortened stock and barrel lengths, so they fit into the carbine definition.
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I honestly wish Glock create a carbine. Same mags same pistol I find that very advantegeous for a home defense/ CQB situation. Knowing Glocks reliabiltity it will be awesome for them to build one for all calibers. Just my 4 cents.
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Hello all, new guy here. I recently added a Beretta CX4 .40 carbine to my small collection as a fun range gun and HD. With a 16.5" barrel and its overall length under 30" It makes a great HD carbine. It also helps that it also uses the same mags as my Beretta 90-Two. I've recently changed out the scope ring to a lower profile ring to allow the Vortex red/green dot to cowitness.
So far, no issues with it as of yet.

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I honestly wish Glock create a carbine. Same mags same pistol I find that very advantegeous for a home defense/ CQB situation. Knowing Glocks reliabiltity it will be awesome for them to build one for all calibers. Just my 4 cents.
Want a carbine that takes Glock mags?

K40-GL for 40S&W
K9-GL for 9mm


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I honestly wish Glock create a carbine. Same mags same pistol I find that very advantegeous for a home defense/ CQB situation. Knowing Glocks reliabiltity it will be awesome for them to build one for all calibers. Just my 4 cents.
That Mech Tech that JD mentioned for the 1911 is also made for the Glock.
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