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dicky0331 11-21-2008 12:29 AM

M14 soccom 2
 
alright.... I am looking into dropping a lot of bank on one of these. and would like to know from you guy who have extensive experience with them what malfunctions they seem to have. as well as what loads function the best and print the best groups, what magazines feed the best, what you think of the modstock by vltor for this rifle. As well as what is thought of the eotech 550?

vegasjeepguy 11-21-2008 01:17 AM

Matt G will probably chime in here soon enough, but he is always recommending the Scout as the SOCOM tends to have issues with the gas system...but I'll let him explain.

M14sRock 11-21-2008 03:57 AM

The Socoms are good to go now.

But, if you go with a Scout, and change out the muzzle break or flash hider with a Smith Ent Vortex or Coast Guard Muzzle Break, the overall length will not be much more (about an inch) than a Socom. But you will gain a couple of inches of bbl length.

However, the Socom is pretty cool. Mine works flawlessly. Some of the early ones were "twitchy" and did not work for various reasons. My buddy got one of the bad ones.

BUT, the SAI forever warranty is about the best in the biz and they are very fast.

matt g 11-21-2008 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by M14sRock (Post 51727)
The Socoms are good to go now.

But, if you go with a Scout, and change out the muzzle break or flash hider with a Smith Ent Vortex or Coast Guard Muzzle Break, the overall length will not be much more (about an inch) than a Socom. But you will gain a couple of inches of bbl length.

However, the Socom is pretty cool. Mine works flawlessly. Some of the early ones were "twitchy" and did not work for various reasons. My buddy got one of the bad ones.

BUT, the SAI forever warranty is about the best in the biz and they are very fast.

All Scout/Squads come with the Coast Guard style break.

Look into the Smith Enterprise Crazy Horse though if you can swing the extra few bucks.

M14sRock 11-21-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt g (Post 51739)
All Scout/Squads come with the Coast Guard style break.

Look into the Smith Enterprise Crazy Horse though if you can swing the extra few bucks.

SAI uses a proprietary muzzle device. Nothing wrong with it, but it is longer than the Smith Ent USCG break. You can however get the Smith Ent muzzle devices from LRB as an upgrade.

Crazy Horse rocks.

dicky0331 11-22-2008 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dicky0331 (Post 51690)
alright.... I am looking into dropping a lot of bank on one of these. and would like to know from you guy who have extensive experience with them what malfunctions they seem to have. as well as what loads function the best and print the best groups, what magazines feed the best, what you think of the modstock by vltor for this rifle. As well as what is thought of the eotech 550?

thanks for the imput guys, but this is what I am getting.... I just thought I might be able to get some more in depth info on characteristics and " attitude " of the rifle.....

matt g 11-22-2008 02:16 AM

They're a short, quick handing M14. Due to the shortened barrel, they suffer in the long range accuracy a little, but they still sling the 7.62x51mm and are usable out to 400 or 500 yards. The shortened gas tube and op-rod have (in the past?) caused reliability issues, as they were improperly designed. Instead, they utilize/d a chopped down standard M14 gas system.

I have no experience with the SOCOMs. I report back what I've read and been told by those that own them or have owned them. Their quality seems to be hit or miss. For every report that I hear that it is one of the nicest guns that the person owns, I get 2 reports of them being poorly functioning wastes of money.

Honestly, an extra 2 or 3 inches of muzzle length isn't much. If you're drawn to the rails, Springfield can add the rails to any fiberglass stocked M14 that you send to them. There are other companies that make less complicated rail system and/or chassis that are just as stable a platform for optics, lights, grenade launchers and TOW missiles.

I've warned 3 others against buying the SOCOMS. I've had 3 people tell me that I was right after they have to sell off a poorly functioning rifle for half of what they paid for it.

dicky0331 11-23-2008 02:43 AM

wheb you say reliability issues what do you mean? failure to cycle, feed extract, and or eject? the rails are not the selling point, but the shortness is. i know from personal experience that those couple of inches can go a long way in a house or building. as far as optisc go it seems maybe aim point is the way to go? i thought about an acog but in CQB, it is a little bit of a hinderence.... due to magnification. any thoughts....

M14sRock 11-23-2008 06:43 AM

The Gas system on the Socom is the same as on other M14's. The difference is in the gas port, the hole in the bbl that allows the gas to bleed off and cycle the action. The Socom gas port is a larger diameter than the standard M14's.

This led to some misconceptions about the Socom initially. I was not a fan of the Socom when it was introduced, but the problems with the early Socoms have been ironed out. One of the big problems seemed to stem from the cast bolts that SAI was using. They have now gone back to forged bolts.

dicky0331 11-26-2008 03:07 AM

so what type and or brand of ammo cycles through theas things best? and which "high" capacity mags fees the best?


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