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Old 09-02-2009, 02:23 PM   #1
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When you start shopping for your first semi auto and don't have a dog in the fight, ie ars beat aks ass because I used one in the...it's hard to decide between an AR or AK or any of the other options and know you got what you need.

If money was no object what would YOU do? Not a dream arsenal but this particular part of the arsenal. It's hard to describe. Would you get a good AR (if that is what you decided you liked) and just any AK? Is there a rifle that has AKs reliability and light like an AR? I am also thinking of the availability of ammo under adverse conditions. Quitting your job and opening a gun shop is not an option in this discussion.

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I'm old school. Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad. The Scout Squad is the perfect size to my way of thinking and 7.62x51 is a potent and deadly round. It's a battle rifle.

I know the arguments for and against it and I believe it's the rifle to have.

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Great question. If money was no object, I could cretainly see myself going for the Scout Squad or other M-1 varient. The rifles are gorgeous, potent, accurate and proven over time. And isn't that what we all want in a rifle (except maybe for the gorgeous part). Ammo is a little more expensive than 223 or 762x39. The gun is also heavy.

I am am an old school guy, and never liked the M-16. Although popular with many, would not be my choice. The AK's are reliable and simple. But not a choice I would make either.

And being a longtime Springfield 1911 shooter, I would probably settle on the M-1A "Whitefeather" edition in honor of GNYSGT Carlos Hathcock for his exploits as a sniper in Vietnam.

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I own them all. My preference? If I had to live with only one gun, I'd take an Arsenal, Inc. AK-74 over any other short carbine on the market. If you're worried about ammo availability and live in the United States, the, 'smart money' would have to be on 5.56 x 45mm.

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Only one gun?!?! Hmmmmm, I would have to agree with others and say an M1 except I would go with a NM M1A1 it would be great for defense AND can kill anything in North America so you wont starve!

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I'm not near clever enough for this. Just go X2 from anything JD says. I'm putting him in my bug out bag

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When you start shopping for your first semi auto and don't have a dog in the fight, ie ars beat aks ass because I used one in the...it's hard to decide between an AR or AK or any of the other options and know you got what you need.

If money was no object what would YOU do? Not a dream arsenal but this particular part of the arsenal. It's hard to describe. Would you get a good AR (if that is what you decided you liked) and just any AK? Is there a rifle that has AKs reliability and light like an AR? I am also thinking of the availability of ammo under adverse conditions. Quitting your job and opening a gun shop is not an option in this discussion.
The AR 15 / M16 has function issues, the AK has accuracy issues. The M14 has neither. Match grade M14 / M1A for me
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I'm not near clever enough for this. Just go X2 from anything JD says. I'm putting him in my bug out bag
LOL - That's funny right there. I actually made it into someone's bug out bag. That has to be a first for this forum.

Okay, you want a semi auto. And you want reliability. And you want the ability to sling lead. And you want the ability, presumably, to upgrade or add things to the platform that you see fit. Oh, and it should probably be accurate enough to keep the space zombies away from the driveway, right?

That knocks Colt right off the list. Stupid Proprietary platform. Large Pins this, different size mounts that. Screw them!

That would also knock the basic AK's out of the box. They aren't shooting 6 inches at 600 yards, I can tell you that.

A custom built AK? I just don't know if I would be willing to spend that kind of money and get that "lack of quality" of weapon. The AK platform is fine, for what it is, but my first choice for a SHTF battle style rifle?? I don't think so...

And money is no object huh?

Okay, you asked for it....

You need to get an import firearm's license, and while you are at it, get a class III weapons permit and a couple of tax stamps.

Order This Rifle directly from H&K Europe. The .308 Nato caliber will knock anyone's penis in the dirt and there is ammo all over the place here in the states.

Call Brugger Thomet and get yourself their Type G Suppressor. This is a VERY good suppressor and it will cost you a bunch of money. But, they have a VERY good name in suppressor technology. Get the quick on/quick off attachment. You'll thank me later.

Get yourself an EoTech 552 XR .308. It will mount right up to your 1913 rails, at any point you want, and it's already got a Bullet Drop Compensator built in for the .308 round. Get the Night Vision Compatible version.

Call Schmidt & Bender and pick up this scope that was deemed "good enough" for the USMC Snipers.

But wait, now I have two optics, how is that going to work??

Call Larue Tactical. This quick release mount is designed for the EoTech and allows for your Night Vision Co-Witness.

Get a set of these rings for your S&B makes it easy to snap the glass on and off as long range / shorter range opportunities present themselves.

Another option would be to get an ARMS quick release scope mount rail and get some really hardcore Badger Ord rings for the scope.

Then add a Pelican case, a Leica laser range finder, a 5.11 Tactical HRT shooting solution watch and a Kestrel Wind Meter.

With that kit, you should be able to hit, and kill, just about anything man sized or smaller out to about 800 yards, conservatively....

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