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Old 07-06-2012, 07:27 PM   #1
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I am 18. I originally wanted a 9mm or 40 cal carbine but buying handgun ammo is an issue until I am 21. So a decent semi auto rifle is what I am looking for. I don't know too much about them. I keep getting caught in the ak vs ar debate. Please don't turn this into one. I have heard too many horror stories about both sides. I would love to be able to handle them but some places that is an issue because they won't allow me to handle anything with a pistol grip. Something that I can convert after purchase would also be a better option. If you have any suggestions it would be appreciated. I would prefer 223/5.56 but 7.62x39 is also an option. Thanks.

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Old 07-06-2012, 07:56 PM   #2
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A 5.45 ak has cheap ammo similar to 5.56 and you get the ak package. But to really know you'll have to handle each.

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I have handled both and AK and an AR. I enjoy shooting both. But I prefer to have less recoil in a gun than the AK. I prefer quick follow up shots. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the recoil is too much to handle just not what I like. I have not shot an AR. Any significant difference in recoil between 7.62x39 and the 5.56?

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You could get a .223 saiga ak which comes with a standard rifle buttstock and then get it converted to a standard ak buttstock and pistol grip layout

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7.62x39 has a pretty good punch to it, quite a bit more than 556. Look at a Saiga in 5.45x39, it is a real Russian AK with no pistol grip and has less recoil than a 5.56, especially if you attach a AK74 muzzle brake. Plus the ammo is CHEAP.

http://centerfiresystems.com/sai-545.aspx

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You could get a .223 saiga ak which comes with a standard rifle buttstock and then get it converted to a standard ak buttstock and pistol grip layout
How hard is the conversion? I like the idea of doing it myself but I don't know a lot about the gun. And one thing I forgot to mention is budget. Anyway I could keep it less than 500-650?
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Saiga's are under $400, plus $100-$150 to do a conversion, look it up on Youtube.

It's not as hard as it looks. The 5.56 version will need a bullet guide, the 5.45x39 will not.

For $650-$700 you could build your own AR15... and its easy.

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for a good semi auto sporter get a Winchester model 100 in .308 or .243winchester.


for cheap plinking get a good used Chinese SKS in 7.62x39


you can get a french MAS 49/56 in 7.5 french or one converted for .308 for way less than a new Ruger mini 14, the french MAS 49 think SKS on Steroids.

Try a Ruger Deerfield .44 carbine, its a .44 cal mini -14

marlin Camp .45,


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Saigas are nice and I've owned 3 (2 7.62x39 and 1 .308). I also have had other AK variants. The thing is w/ an AK variant you have ergonomic problems. You'll also find it difficult to locate good mounting solutions for optics like a RDS. There are some great choices out now but that hasn't always been the case.

Ther are inherant design flaws w/ the AK that you won't find in the AR. AKs are made w/ more relaxed tolerances. Some will say this is a good thing for reliability but the negatives start to outweigh this one possitive. ARs are just as reliable and yet much more accurate. ARs also aim more naturally for me as their ergos lend to such things.

Quality companies are starting to pick up the slack when it comes to AKs. It's funny because all these new and improved parts are usually very similar in function to the parts manufactured for ARs.

Magazine changes - ARs win hands down for speed and ease.

I don't know what horror stories you've heard but maybe you should share so we can put your mind to ease.

Just saw your budget. I'm thinking S&W Sport.

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Quality companies are starting to pick up the slack when it comes to AKs. It's funny because all these new and improved parts are usually very similar in function to the parts manufactured for ARs.
the usa made parts are there not for improving anything but to make the gun 922r compliant so mags greater than 10 rounds can be used. a 922r gun has to have 10 or less foriegn made parts so a pistol grip and standard sized magazines can be used.
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