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Old 06-15-2013, 06:53 AM   #41
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Get yourself a Glock 21 and a stock adapter from ENDO Tactical.

To me, the whole point of having a pistol or pistol caliber carbine is having a weapon that's lighter, cheaper, and easier to run around corners with than a 556 carbine is.

An empty Thompson or Grease Gun is as heavy or heavier than a normal fully loaded AR pattern carbine, the magazines don't hold more bullets, and in the case of the Thompson it's just as long as a 556 carbine. The Grease Gun is shorter and more suitable for indoor work.

The Kriss still weighs just as much as a lightweight 556 carbine and is no more capable except for the maneuverability of the weapon.

The Kriss and Thompson cost just as much as a Colt 556 carbine or more and that's before the stamp. Magazines are also more expensive (for the Thompson).

I wouldn't bother with a non-SBR pistol caliber carbine and can't think of one that weighs significantly less than a lightweight AR carbine except for the setup I mentioned.

I would only consider a pistol caliber carbine if it's lighter, less expensive, and more maneuverable than an AR carbine. There aren't many of those out there, but a Glock/ENDO Tactical/stamp combination would cost about the same as a Colt carbine and give you a more maneuverable weapon and better accuracy than a pistol in a significantly lighter package.

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Old 06-15-2013, 07:47 AM   #42
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Not sure if these can be exported, it is the same weight as an AR but only uses 10 round proprietary mags at $18.00 USD each. Fun to shoot and comes in 9mm, 40 S&W and 45ACP. This one's in 40 S&W.

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Marlin use to make a little carbine in 9mm and 45 acp years ago called a Camp 9 or a Camp 45. several times in the past i came close to buying one, but never did. now i very seldom ever see one for sale and when i do they are priced past what i'd pay for one.

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I know this is old time technology but the C-96 Mauser can rip off a handful of hot rounds. The C-96 loads quickly with stripper clips and fires the 7.62 X 25 cartridges.

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I know this is old time technology but the C-96 Mauser can rip off a handful of hot rounds. The C-96 loads quickly with stripper clips and fires the 7.62 X 25 cartridges.
Wow, a real life Han Solo. Nice Mausers.
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buy a hk usc 45acp.. light and durable. .....16 inch...precision....will hold its value .

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16inch barrel
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buy a hk usc 45acp.. light and durable. .....16 inch...precision....will hold its value .
You forgot expensive.
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It looks really cool and I'm sure it works, but given that a USC is about 35 inches in length (about the same length as a 556 carbine with the stock out one notch where most people can square up to their target), the USC weighs 6 pounds (about the same as a lightweight 556 carbine), and the ones I've seen cost between $1500 and $1700 at the LGS (whereas a Colt AR 6720 costs about $1000).

What do the larger, heavier .45 caliber carbines buy you apart from ammo compatibility with your pistol? If it's a house gun, then that makes more sense.

If it's a SHTF gun, why would you ever use a .45 caliber carbine when plenty of Colt AR's and Arsenal AK's can be had for less money?

I like .45 caliber handguns and have shot them for years, but if someone gave me the choice between a lightweight semi-automatic Colt carbine and a real Thompson submachine gun, I'd take the Colt carbine every day of the week.
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