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Old 07-24-2011, 08:39 PM   #21
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hmmm... this is tough! the FN FAL was the right arm of the free world, but the G3 has a good reputation as well...

IMHO M1 Garand is too heavy and too small a clip for it to be the best battle rifle. It is accurate and reliable yes, but to lug it around all day to reload every eight shots... not my thing

1. FN FAL
2. HK G3

I haven't shot many "battle rifles" except the M1 and Mosin Nagant, so I am basing my choice off what I have heard.

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Where would you put the M14??

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Where would you put the M14??
Firmly in the Battle Rifle category. As I said Battle Rifles are "mostly" semi-auto. While the M-14 is capable of full-auto fire, few were fielded in this mode. Most had the selector removed to prevent full-auto fire because it was just not controllable. The normal procedure would be to have one or two full-auto capable rifles per squad, the rest were strictly riflemen.
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For kicks, I did some looking into the HK-91. It is as complex as the AR-15, generally. The only reason I bring that up is this question:

Which of these most popular "battle" rifles on this thread are the simplest internally?

Why do I ask? If SHTF for real, I wouldn't mind maintaining my AR and 1911 (and already have bunches of extra parts!), but would love to have a relatively "simple" 30-caliber next to my side.

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IMHO the HK is the simplest of the rifles as it has no gas system. It uses a delayed roller lock system. The only real drawback is that .308 commercial ammo is hotter than 7.62X51 Nato and has thinner brass. The fluted chamber of the HK allows the case to "float" on a cushion of high pressure gas. The thinner .308 cases will occasionally separate leaving part of the case stuck. A stuck case remover (cheaply available) will fix it relatively easily.

The FN has an advantage over the M-14/M1A because it has an adjustable gas valve that you can open up when it gets dirty. If I were to opt for the M1A or Garand, I would get a Schuster adjustable gas nut and get the adjustability.

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If I were to opt for the M1A or Garand, I would get a Schuster adjustable gas nut and get the adjustability.
Boy that sounds like a .43 Kurz sort of thing. I know it's actually real, it just sounds like a whopper. That sounds like you're trying to pull someone's leg... Schuster adjustable gas nut... That's funny.
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You are mistaking it with the Schyster fully adjustable weeping gauge.

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M-14, the 7.62 round did the job it was designed to, and in the early years in Vietnam performed well, heavy to carry with enough ammo, but packed a lethal punch.

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heres my vote....
Auto-loaders
1.M1 Garand
2.M1A/M14
3.SKS
4.AK Varants

Bolt-actions
1.Japanese Arisaka
2.Enfield M1917
3.Springfield 1903

I really dont like the Mosin bolt design... I prefer the cock on closing design...

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First you have to ask yourself, what do you want out of your rifle? Reliability, Accuracy? Ease of takedown/cleaning? Fewer/more parts?

My choices, in order, bases on personal experience and ownership are:

#1 and #2 are a TIE between the M14/m1a and the HK-91/PTR-91/G3 (Absolutely NOT any variation of the CETME)
#3 FN-FAL
#4 AR-10/LR-308

M14/M1a- Very accurate, Proven reliability, resonably rugged and forgiving tolerances, well balanced rifle, Great iron sites with adequate adjustment-only downside is parts breakage and wear. Mags range from $15ish to $50+

HK-91/PTR-91/G3- EXTREMELY Reliable, EXREMELY Rugged, EXTREMELY Forgiving, virtually NO parts breakage or wear, kinda heavy and not as accurate as the other "Big 4" MBR's. Rear drum sight is nice and affords some adjustability but the front post is a big let down with virtually no adjustability. Brand New "Used" mags from Cheaperthandirt.com for .97 CENTS WOW!!! AVOID any variation of the Spanish CETME, Refrain from any Century Arms built guns and ABSOLUTELY AVOID ANYTHING BUILT BY FEDERAL ARMS-CRAP GUNS.

FN-FAL- Lots of Parts, Accurate, easy gas adjustment, can shoot almost any ammo, easy takedown (a la AR platform) Tolerances are fairly forgiving, somewhat heavy. Careful with parts 2 different types: Metric and Inch Pattern, with some interchangebility, but not all. Mags range from $15ish to $35ish

AR-10/LR-308- VERY ACCURATE, small parts interchangeabiity with AR15 platform, Built for Optics, same cleaning issues and tolerances of the AR 15 platform, VERY HEAVY-which is the main drawback and the one thing that it definitley does NOT have in common with is smaller .223 cousin. it is a fat bastard. There can be some ammo sensitivity but it is not platform specific and usually correctable. Magazines are $20-$50, DPMS mags only hold 19, not 20 but magpul makes a 20 rounder for $20 that is far better than the factory mags(anti-tilt and all).

Well, thats my 2 cents, but at the end of the day its kind of like buying a handgun, you really need to decide which one feel right for you and what you want the rifle to do.

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