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Old 11-30-2011, 01:42 AM   #131
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Default It's Not the Gun but the Man Behind It

I think the man behind the gun is far more important than the gun. All guns have pluses and minuses. It takes the man behind the gun to recognize those differences, be prepared to overcome the disadvantages, and capitalize on the advantages. It also takes the man behind the gun to recognize someone else's advantages and disadvantages with their gun.

The British had "the mad minute" as part of their training. 15 hits on a 12 in target at 300yds in one minute (that included reloading the 10rd clip). Germans often confused British bolt action fire with machine gun fire in WWI when a group of riflemen opened up. Their training overcame the shortcoming of a slow bolt action.

Germans would often listen for the "ting" of a Garand ejecting it's clip. Obvious sign that someone was out of ammo.

SK's and AK's are not famed for being accurate and that really isn't an issue in a jungle. But being able to operate in a harsh environment is an issue in a jungle and they excel at that.

Well you get the idea. A bolt action could excel as a battle rifle today in the right conditions, and more importantly in the right hands. Any of the guns listed in this thread could excel in the right conditions and in the right hands. Just make sure you always have the high ground, metaphorical.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:55 AM   #132
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I've got a DPMS LR-308 that I bought in late '09. I haven't fired it much since, but we went to range last Friday. It performed very well. Put about 60 rounds through it. In that cartridge though, I still prefer my bolt action Remington.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:24 AM   #133
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My Rock River Arms LAR-8 Standard Operator first. Cause it's mine, It's badass, and I'm personalizing it to fit me better than the rifle the military made me carry. Then the M1A Socom II, It's an excellent weapon platform for battle, and I like the urban camo and the short barrel.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:24 PM   #134
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Nice Rifle.

I just hope you never have to find out how hard it is to field strip

and clean the hard way...
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Nice Rifle.

I just hope you never have to find out how hard it is to field strip

and clean the hard way...
why..? Ive taken it apart at least 3 or 4 times a day, have made a field tool kit for it and cleaning kit. Next I'm going to start doing it blindfolded... That will be a fun experience, right Hahaha, got any tips therewolf..? Did you mean that socom..? I don't own one, that's just some online pic from the Springfield site...
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Well it's all real easy to clean, when you can lay it out on

a table-top in a clean, dry, warm house.

Take that toy camping, pick a place in the woods, sit down

and try all that stuff in the cold, and damp, on the ground...

actually piss has ammonia, which would help clean copper

fouling out of the barrel, but the rifle might not smell

excellent...
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Well it's all real easy to clean, when you can lay it out on

a table-top in a clean, dry, warm house.

Take that toy camping, pick a place in the woods, sit down

and try all that stuff in the cold, and damp, on the ground...

actually piss has ammonia, which would help clean copper

fouling out of the barrel, but the rifle might not smell

excellent...
It's a major pain in the rear for sure, over in the desert, even in the tents they would be gritty by the time we were done. It was religiously cleaned after I fired it as well, one of the marines had his wife pick up a spare bore snake for me, so that helped a lot (except for the gas tube) those marines always think of somthin' don't they..! (but you'll never get me to do it blindfolded haha)

Thanks for the Ammonia tip too sir..!
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George of Jungle just here to help...
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Dude, you crack me up !!! Haha !
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The most accurate of the bunch is the Garand...based upon the two I have owned compared to the Springfield M1A (M14's) I have owned. The Garand had about a 1/2" advantage over the others...but that's splitting hairs.

The reliability of the Garand and M14 are legendary. The enbloc in the Garand is a little bit off-putting for some, whereas the 20 round mags for the M1A are plentiful and relatively inexpensive. That also goes for the FAL...BUT...you have to be careful of trying to use metric mags in non-metric receivers.

I really LIKE the FAL...but it has the crappiest trigger of the bunch. It can be worked on, but again....the M1, and the M1A far outshine them.

The open sights on the Garand and M1A are leaps and bounds better than the FAL.

The Mosin...I just don't heart that rifle. It's an apples to oranges comparison between that and the others. It's a gun with great functionality...but...to me, it's like my 03-A3...an occaisonal shooter.

All in all, I'd give the nod to the M1A only SLIGHTLY ahead of the FAL.

The ONLY reason why I'd choose those over the Garand is the magazine in favor of the enbloc. Something about an M1A though...a hardwood stock with a steel recoil plate..."zombie whacker".
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