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Old 11-04-2010, 06:15 AM   #131
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if I was given the choice of a M4/M4A1 or a M14 I would grab the M14 and smile.
why do you think the army took the M14's out of moth balls in the first place?.
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I define heavy combat as a company or battalion as suffering more than 30% caulities. The Air Force will never suffer those number of caulities so based on your question and if you were in the AF, why would you ask?? The AR 15 or M16 is a inferrior type of weapon`s platform. Those caulities have not been suffered since Vietnam where the M16 was not working properly. You should ask any combat vetern if they were a combat vetern and ask them.
The M16 is not a reliable type of operating system nor will it ever be so please don`t ask a person who has lived and died by it. Thank God for the M14 and the M2 carbine. Thank you for your question.

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Sir, I did not mean to bring branch of service in to this discussion, Almost all of my family was army all the way back to ww1, I just found it odd that for someone to call iraq and afganistan not heavy combat wrong. I understand that casualties were higher then and are no were near that rate today, And I am thankfull for all those who gave all, but you should not try and take away from those who gave all in recent conflicts, by making it sound like there battle is any less of a battle, man against man is combat. I mean no disrespect by saying this. As far as rifles I love both m-14 and m-4, and like already stated the ar platform has come along way from the a-1. On that note lets all get back on topic and be happy we can have the chance to talk about guns!!
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the 55grn fmj out of a 1in12 or 1in14 barrel is extremely effective on humans in war. humans have about the same toughness as a coyote we are very very delicate creatures it does not take much to incapacitate us or kill us.

on unarmoured targets such as VC in vietnam it is an extremely effective round but it does not take much in the way of cover be it gear clothing or cheap body armour to degrade it's performance. that is one of the reasons the switch to a faser twist more stable heavier 223. this "improvement" took away a lot of the m16's lethality replacing it with wound capability.

while wounding a nato soldier takes two others out of combat this doesnt work on soviet bloc or terrorists who either dont give two farts for saving their buddies, dont have medical evac capability or even basic first aid, or have officers who will put a makarov bullet in the back of a soldier stopping the charge.

what really cant be debated is the m16 and 5.56 has more service time in actual combat than any other US service rifle in history. the popularity of the AR15 is unquestionable. there are far far more ARs out there than in civvy hands than any other rifle based on a service rifle. the m14/m1a1 are nice but they are not wildly popular in the way the AR is.

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my personal preference is for the AR in just about any caliber over a m1a1. i find the m1a1 to be far too heavy and clunky for the round it shoots and the magazines difficult wrestle around inserting them in the gun and i cant carry enough of the 308s to be comfy. the AR10 offsets a lot of the flaws of the m1a1.
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this is some funny chit.yahoooo rambo go for it.
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yup lame.
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This argument is so dumb. Fanboys claiming their crap is better than some other fanboys crap. The facts are pretty clear cut. .308 has more stopping power than 5.56, .308 has more effective range than 5.56, 5.56 has higher mag capacity than .308, 5.56 is cheaper than .308.

The basics to the argument are very similar to quality or quantity. But what is interesting to me is that 556 fanboys will say that range doesnt matter when being compared to .308 but then turn around and say range is all important if you compare it to 762.
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This argument is so dumb. Fanboys claiming their crap is better than some other fanboys crap. The facts are pretty clear cut. .308 has more stopping power than 5.56, .308 has more effective range than 5.56, 5.56 has higher mag capacity than .308, 5.56 is cheaper than .308.

The basics to the argument are very similar to quality or quantity. But what is interesting to me is that 556 fanboys will say that range doesnt matter when being compared to .308 but then turn around and say range is all important if you compare it to 762.
7.62 IS .308. A 7.62x51 is a .308 Winchester. Range is important in ALL aspects. Personally, I'll stick to my 7.62x54R. Hell, my iron sights adjust to 2km on the thing...
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7.62 IS .308. A 7.62x51 is a .308 Winchester. Range is important in ALL aspects. Personally, I'll stick to my 7.62x54R. Hell, my iron sights adjust to 2km on the thing...
haha ill stick with my 7.62x54r also, but i meant 7.62x39. I should have been more specific. However 7.62x51 NATO and .308 are NOT the same thing. Just like 5.56 and .223 are NOT the same thing.
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7.62mm is .308", true
7.62mm is also .311 to the Soviets
7.62 X 51 LOOKS like .308 Winchester, but is not the same.
7.62 X 39 is sometimes referred to as simply 7.62 (even though it is technically incorrect).
7.62 X 54r is in the same energy range as the 7.62 X 51 or .308 Winchester.

Sights that elevate for 2000 meters do not mean you can hit the broad side of a barn at half that range.
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7.62mm is .308", true
7.62mm is also .311 to the Soviets
7.62 X 51 LOOKS like .308 Winchester, but is not the same.
7.62 X 39 is sometimes referred to as simply 7.62 (even though it is technically incorrect).
7.62 X 54r is in the same energy range as the 7.62 X 51 or .308 Winchester.

Sights that elevate for 2000 meters do not mean you can hit the broad side of a barn at half that range.
Hell my mosin is so wildy inaccurate i couldnt hit something at a 10th of that distance consistantly... not an animal found around these parts anyway. I want to get me another one... or maybe just order a box of them. Thats the joy of volley sights though, you can get about 50 people to shoot it set at 2000 meters and someone is bound to hit something
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