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Old 06-23-2013, 06:03 AM   #31
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Anyone that intentionally buries a gun in mud and then proceeds to shoot it is not proving anything but foolishness. I absolutely hate that argument. "Hey I'm gonna pour sand in my gun and shoot it. I bet yours can't do that!" Name a real world situation, not a doomsday prepper scenario where burying any kind of gun in mud and then shooting it without cleaning it is a good idea. This is the same as people arguing over Glock vs. 1911, Ford vs. Chevy, iPhone vs. Blackberry, etc. etc..

Just have to accept that each has his own preference even if his gun really isn't the best. Maybe it's the best for him.

I prefer accurate guns over guns with loose fitting parts that will shoot when nasty.

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Your completely right. In reality, your not going to fill a gun full of mud, sand, and water and then proceed to shoot it. That is unrealistic. Under normal shooting conditions, a good AR and a good AK should not ever fail to go boom.

Though, it is nice knowing that your rifle could do that if it absolutely had too. Personally, I think I'll keep mine well lubed and clean. Same as I would ANY gun.
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With respect to AR and AK abuse, anyone remember seeing the video of the Taliban fighters cleaning their AK's? One of them stated that they were cleaning their rifles because they wanted them to function when they met up with the Americans.

Any rifleman worth his salt is going to clean, lubricate, and take care of his rifle like his life depended on it.

Also, if the Taliban can manage to find time to clean and lubricate their AK's in Afghanistan, a county that arguably doesn't know WTF SHTF means, given that every day there is pretty much SHTF, I'm pretty sure you can take five minutes to clean and lubricate your AR or AK.

As far as the accuracy of the AR platform or the inaccuracy of the AK platform is concerned, the accuracy standard for a military AR or military AK is exactly the same, 4MOA at 100 yards.

If you can hit a saucer at 100 yards, whomever you're shooting at is going to have a really bad day. Either weapon is more than capable of hitting a saucer, so the accuracy argument is more about making nice groups on paper than what matters when someone is shooting at you.

Use quality springs and magazines in your rifle. Poor quality magazines and poor quality springs can and will cause failures in ANY rifle.

The AR and AK designs have been around for more than fifty years now. If there were a major design flaw of any kind with either weapon, we would know about it by now.

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Anyone that intentionally buries a gun in mud and then proceeds to shoot it is not proving anything but foolishness. I absolutely hate that argument. "Hey I'm gonna pour sand in my gun and shoot it. I bet yours can't do that!" Name a real world situation, not a doomsday prepper scenario where burying any kind of gun in mud and then shooting it without cleaning it is a good idea. This is the same as people arguing over Glock vs. 1911, Ford vs. Chevy, iPhone vs. Blackberry, etc. etc..

Just have to accept that each has his own preference even if his gun really isn't the best. Maybe it's the best for him.

I prefer accurate guns over guns with loose fitting parts that will shoot when nasty.

Just my opinion.....
I own all guns mentioned accept the m1a and I have fun with all of them. I'm not knocking one or the other. Just saying my ak has been through 2 thousand rds at least with no problems whatsoever. My custom built 6.8 AR has had the most failure to feeds of any gun I've ever owned. It's picky about ammo. My ak and sks don't care what you put through it.

And I don't really plan on burying any of them in mud. Even though my L1A1 FAL has the dirt grooves in the bolt carrier. Been wanting see if that worked.
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