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Old 06-22-2013, 09:51 PM   #21
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Oh, where's the Mosins?

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Just saying... If you have problems with reliability in your AR...get a better AR. I've had 4, all were reliable. The S&W and custom build that I have left are EXTREMELY reliable. As a matter of fact, I sold my AK because it was NOT as reliable as my AR. Also, it wasn't as accurate, modular, pretty, etc...you get the idea.

I guess it's just a fluke that my AR's are as reliable as any AK I've ever shot.

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Oh, where's the Mosins?
Might do a milsurp rifle thread, next.
There's enough of those for that!
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Just saying... If you have problems with reliability in your AR...get a better AR. I've had 4, all were reliable. The S&W and custom build that I have left are EXTREMELY reliable. As a matter of fact, I sold my AK because it was NOT as reliable as my AR. Also, it wasn't as accurate, modular, pretty, etc...you get the idea.

I guess it's just a fluke that my AR's are as reliable as any AK I've ever shot.
Would love to burry your AR and my AK in the mud for a couple days and see which one comes out firing.
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Would love to burry your AR and my AK in the mud for a couple days and see which one comes out firing.
Where you at? Lets do it!

No gun was designed to be buried in mud. I don't expect either to pass that test.
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Would love to burry your AR and my AK in the mud for a couple days and see which one comes out firing.
Anyone that intentionally buries a gun in mud and then proceeds to shoot it is not proving anything but foolishness. I absolutely hate that argument. "Hey I'm gonna pour sand in my gun and shoot it. I bet yours can't do that!" Name a real world situation, not a doomsday prepper scenario where burying any kind of gun in mud and then shooting it without cleaning it is a good idea. This is the same as people arguing over Glock vs. 1911, Ford vs. Chevy, iPhone vs. Blackberry, etc. etc..

Just have to accept that each has his own preference even if his gun really isn't the best. Maybe it's the best for him.

I prefer accurate guns over guns with loose fitting parts that will shoot when nasty.

Just my opinion.....
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The FAL, CETME/HK91, and M14, even in stock form, are pretty heavy rifles.

The CETME and HK91 are simply not ergonomic weapons. I owned a real HK91 and sold it. I'd never buy another one. I'm not that big and the stock was simply too short for me, even the HK21E buttstock I replaced the 91/G3 stock with.

The sighting mechanism of the FAL is not up to par with the M14.

Of the battle rifles mentioned, I like the M14 the best for ergonomics, sight adjustment, and operating mechanism most similar to an AK.

Between the SKS and the AK, I prefer the AK. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about the SKS, I've shot them and a variety of Russian, Chinese, and Bulgarian AK models and apart from the fact that the SKS is cheaper, I would never take a SKS over an AK.

Of all the types mentioned, I prefer the AR carbines for its light weight, ergonomics, aftermarket parts supply, and availability of ammunition, magazines, and components.

A lightweight AR is a pound lighter than a AK. Put another way, a lightweight AR and loaded 30 round magazine weigh as much as an empty AK.

Is a pound of weight all that much? Carry it all day and get back to us.

AK/SKS ammunition is the cheapest and permits the most practice for a given price. I like the AK platform, but it is heavier than the AR platform.

I believe the steel reinforced polymer Bulgarian "waffle" magazines are the "best" based on weight and durability. They won't rust and apart from running a rag through one every so often require no maintenance. If I don't oil blued steel magazines they rust because of the humidity here. You probably won't bend or dent the body of a steel AK magazine, but if you do that magazine becomes trash. The steel magazines definitely work and are the most inexpensive, though.

Use what you like, but realize that weight, balance, and ergonomics mean something if the weapon isn't just for target shooting.

I'd take an AR over an AK anytime an AR was available. Whatever slight durability and reliability advantage the AK has over the AR is not sufficient to make up for the weight and ergonomics disadvantages.

If you buy an AR, buy a quality AR. Colt, BCM, DD, etc...

If you want a battle rifle, look into a M14.

There is no "perfect" rifle or carbine that can do everything. A lightweight AR is a great carbine and so is an AK.

A M14 is a great battle rifle, but it's heavy and more expensive to shoot.

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The FAL, CETME/HK91, and M14, even in stock form, are pretty heavy rifles.

The CETME and HK91 are simply not ergonomic weapons. I owned a real HK91 and sold it. I'd never buy another one. I'm not that big and the stock was simply too short for me, even the HK21E buttstock I replaced the 91/G3 stock with.

The sighting mechanism of the FAL is not up to par with the M14.

Of the battle rifles mentioned, I like the M14 the best for ergonomics, sight adjustment, and operating mechanism most similar to an AK.

Between the SKS and the AK, I prefer the AK. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about the SKS, I've shot them and a variety of Russian, Chinese, and Bulgarian AK models and apart from the fact that the SKS is cheaper, I would never take a SKS over an AK.

Of all the types mentioned, I prefer the AR carbines for its light weight, ergonomics, aftermarket parts supply, and availability of ammunition, magazines, and components.

A lightweight AR is a pound lighter than a AK. Put another way, a lightweight AR and loaded 30 round magazine weigh as much as an empty AK.

Is a pound of weight all that much? Carry it all day and get back to us.

AK/SKS ammunition is the cheapest and permits the most practice for a given price. I like the AK platform, but it is heavier than the AR platform.

I believe the steel reinforced polymer Bulgarian "waffle" magazines are the "best" based on weight and durability. They won't rust and apart from running a rag through one every so often require no maintenance. If I don't oil blued steel magazines they rust because of the humidity here. You probably won't bend or dent the body of a steel AK magazine, but if you do that magazine becomes trash. The steel magazines definitely work and are the most inexpensive, though.

Use what you like, but realize that weight, balance, and ergonomics mean something if the weapon isn't just for target shooting.

I'd take an AR over an AK anytime an AR was available. Whatever slight durability and reliability advantage the AK has over the AR is not sufficient to make up for the weight and ergonomics disadvantages.

If you buy an AR, buy a quality AR. Colt, BCM, DD, etc...

If you want a battle rifle, look into a M14.

There is no "perfect" rifle or carbine that can do everything. A lightweight AR is a great carbine and so is an AK.

A M14 is a great battle rifle, but it's heavy and more expensive to shoot.
Very well put! I would like to have an M14!
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I'm a SKS fan myself.

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