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Old 05-31-2013, 10:36 PM   #31
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Guys, I'm having a hard time deciding which rifle to save for. My choices so far are HK MR762, SCAR 17S, LMT MWS, LWRC Reper, and LaRue OBR.
You have a list of fine rifles. Look at the weights of them if you want to carry it around for hunting or field use. I have a Les Baer AR308 Sniper - it weighs 11lbs, and with a 3.8-25 US Optics scope and a full magazine - close to 14lbs.

While it works fine for precision tactical rifle competition and like use - if I wanted a rifle for general field use, I'd probably be looking at the SCAR 17 because of the much lower weight.

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I think I want a piston gun bc I've heard DI 7.62s get REALLY dirty really quick.
You're not going to be running the amount of rounds that you do through an AR15. If you want to shoot long distances, you have to use quality ammunition or reload it yourself. Either way - you're not going to be running 500 rounds in one session. If you use or make quality ammunition, the rifle should run at least 1,000 rounds without cleaning - in .308, that's a LOT of shooting.

Precision shooting is not rapid fire / ammunition intensive. When you're shooting over 600 yards, figuring out the doping by watching wind effects on trees, bushes, etc. between you and the target takes time. Learning the amount of bullet drop compensation to dial in is part of it, but you do compensation for wind drift with the reticle marks.

I shoot at a range with fixed distances at different points for competition, so that even when they add targets to stage (shooting 4 clay pigeons at 400 yards for example), you know it's 400 yards so you can use the verticle and horizontal reticle markings for holdover and wind drift - once you learn the rifle / scope / ammunition combination.

I wouldn't get hung up on a piston rifle because a DI will get dirty from shooting. Quality .308 / 7.62 runs fairly clean and you can duplicate that with your own loads. If I run 60-100 rounds in one session - that is a LOT of .308.

If you purchase .308 you're going to pay .90 cents to $1.25 per round for target grade ammunition even if you buy it in case quantities. That's $90 - $125 (or more) for one 100 round session.

If you reload, you can save some money - but, take a look at the cost of 168grain HPBT target bullets - then factor in the powder, primer, etc. You'll be around .55 cents a round not counting the brass. Shoot 100 rounds in a session - $55.

Carefully evaluate how you're going to be using the rifle, and you can sort through the features from each manufacturer - but, if the rifle is for field use - weight should be a prime consideration.
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Here is the plain and simple answer. You want a ar platform rifle that shoots out to 700-800 meters. The 5.56 and the 7.62x39 are not capable of this range. There ballistic coefficient is really bad for those ranges. Your only options will be like a 6.8 spc, 6.5 grendal, or the 7.62 nato.

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A buddy of mince has a SIG 716. Its gorgeous. Doesnt seem to have any trouble either.. and I believe the barrel is CHF.

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I used to own the SIG 716, quality was good but holy crap was it picky with ammo! Would only cycle properly and consistently with federal premium gold medal match. Which is why I don't own that rifle anymore.
I own a SIG 716 and I have no trouble with any brand of ammo I feed it. It will shoot 1 MOA 5 shot groups @ 100 yards, sometimes better, with my 168 SMK hand loads. A lot or gun for the money. The trigger pull is a bit heavy but crisp. Better than the trigger on my LMT MWS and shoots just as well and several hundred $$$ cheaper. I have a Nightforce NXS 5.5-20X50 on both rifles with ZS & HST.
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Old 06-01-2013, 03:49 PM   #35
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I have to agree you are probably

looking for a bullpup style.

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Old 06-01-2013, 05:11 PM   #36
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you know that the army's newist sniper rifle (m110) is an ar-15 platformed 7.62mm

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Jon, I'm curious as to the mv with the supressor installed, as opposed to without it. Have you chronographed your loads with & without? just curious, jd45

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i dont think that suppresors effect velocity. how could they? velocity is internally determined.....silencers are external and have no contact with the bullet.

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Have you looked in to the Sig Sauer 716 rifle? I've been looking at this rifle for about 6 mos. now and can't find too much fault with it. It's a piston AR platform, takes PMags, and is made by Sig Sauer which usually makes great weapons. The other benefit is the price. A 716 is in the $2200 neighborhood which is much less than a SCAR, LWRC, Larue, etc. Unless this rifle has a major reliability problem that I'm not seeing, I'm probably gonna buy it. Been looking at some youtube videos of it also. I feel that can be of some help.

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samnev, thanks for the review. Puts another check mark in the plus column. The 716 seems very nice right out of the box. Can't find any fault with it.

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