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dgansen 08-30-2009 09:04 PM

starter gun
Hi, I am brand new to black powder rifles, and I was wondering what a good starter gun would be. I would kind of like a long rifle, but I can definitely compromise there depending on how expensive they are. My budget is about $250, and I am planning on finding something used. What should I look for? Thanks for your feedback!

RL357Mag 08-30-2009 09:42 PM

Before we get too involved, you should stop by the "Introductions" thread and introduce yourself to the rest of the forum. Now, depending on what you wish to do, there are two choices you need to make:
1. Traditional Sidelock percussion, or
2. Inline

I'm a traditionalist, so all of my BP arms are muzzleloading sidelocks and Colt reproductions. Many I purchased during the 80's when CVA was in the business of selling kits cheaply. Their traditional line of BP arms was bought-out by Traditions. You can get a reasonably priced Traditions basic .50 cal. rifle for under $200. Pick up a Cabela's catalog, they have a nice variety of both traditional and in-line BP guns. Dixie Gun Works specializes in BP firearms, but is generally very expensive. MidSouthShooters.Com has some Traditions guns priced very reasonably. Welcome to FTF!

Hawg 08-31-2009 12:45 AM

Don't overlook the Investarms/Cabela's Hawken's. They're not anything like a real Hawken but for the money they can't be beat. I like Investarms better than CVA because of the snail breech opposed to the drum breech of CVA. Either one and you're good to go tho.

dgansen 08-31-2009 03:50 AM

thanks for the quick reply guys, I am interested in traditional percussion rifles.

Hawg 08-31-2009 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by dgansen (Post 153336)
thanks for the quick reply guys, I am interested in traditional percussion rifles.

These are traditional styled rifles. Everybody calls them Hawkens trying to cash in on the name but they're actually fairly decent copies of plains or trade rifles in use during the fur trade and later.

This may very well be the grandfather of the modern so called Hawken.

1875 Tryon trade rifle.

c3shooter 08-31-2009 05:45 PM

Everyone seems to be buying the latest golly-gee in line #209 primer setup- with the result that the traditional percussion cap side hammer rifles are fairly cheap.

Would check around, and, and look for a .50 or .54 cal rifle. Have seen a few of the Thompson/Center Renegades for under $200. They are very accurate, double set triggers, very nicely finished rifles. Check the feedback from the seller before bidding.

In MOST states a traditional muzzleloader can be shipped directly to you without having to go thru a dealer, but you will need to provide seller with proof you are at least 18 (driver's license copy, etc).

I have .45 Pennsylvania style long rifle, but hunt with a .50 Renegade. It will put 3 rounds in a circle you can cover with a Ritz cracker at 100 yds.

Hawg 08-31-2009 06:45 PM

With the game laws here you can't hardly find an inline(not that I'd look for one).Everybody wants H&R Handi Rifles to hunt with now. Anybody interested in muzzleloading usually wants a sidelock and they're not cheap. Gunbroker probably would be the best bet.

c3shooter 09-01-2009 01:19 AM

One up for sale at gunbroker now- $200 with no bids, plus $25 shipping, 3 days to go. Not mine- looks decent, take a look- Thompson Center Renegade, .50 cal (Z1475) : Black Powder / Muzzle loading at

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