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Old 07-02-2013, 01:08 PM   #11
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50 grains is a civil war (conservative) load.........just enough to make it a lethal manstopper. I posted recommended hunting loads.....some even use 150 grains

I was getting nearly 1600fps with that sabotted load which proved devastating on deer out to 200 yds in my scoped Remington 700ml.


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50 grains is a civil war (conservative) load.........just enough to make it a lethal manstopper.

You've obviously never seen the damage a .58 minie can do with a 60 grain service load. My P53 Enfield is five gallon bucket accurate at least to 300 yards and will leave a hole nine inches deep and four inches across in a pond bank at that range. It will go through several inches of pine lumber and will actually blow completely through a small frame house and keep going.


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but its doesn't expand.............hydrostatic shock (caused by rapidly expanding high velocity projectiles) damages central nervous system and immediately immobilizes

sure heavy/slow prrojectiles kill but deer may run several hundred yards before falling (hard to find)
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but its doesn't expand.............hydrostatic shock (caused by rapidly expanding high velocity projectiles) damages central nervous system and immediately immobilizes

sure heavy/slow prrojectiles kill but deer may run several hundred yards before falling (hard to find)

Expansion from 300 yards into soft ground with a 60 grain charge.



I agree with the hydrostatic shock but almost all of my kills with 50's and '54's have been dead right there including patched round balls. I've never had one go anywhere near 100 yards. Most just fall over and maybe struggle to get up a time or two before expiring.
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Unless that slug hits a vital area (heart, both lungs, spine or brain), immediate knockdown will not occur
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Unless that slug hits a vital area (heart, both lungs, spine or brain), immediate knockdown will not occur
Not gonna argue with that. I almost always make heart/lung shots. They almost always fall on the spot but then I've had a doe walk a little ways with just a double lung shot with a 30-06. So hydrostatic shock isn't always a deer dropper either.
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true dat............I call that running dead
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I posted recommended hunting loads.....some even use 150 grains
Maybe, but that certain isn't a load I would start off with in a new gun. Starting at 50gr you can shot
groups and bump your load up 5gr at a time to figure out your most accurate load. I admit I'm hardly an expert but AFAIK most traditional 50cal muzzle loaders with lead ball or Miniť bullets optimize around 80 gr or so. Modern inline guns shooting sabot round may be different but I've never had any interest in those.

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but its doesn't expand.............hydrostatic shock (caused by rapidly expanding high velocity projectiles) damages central nervous system and immediately immobilizes
The problem is even the 1600FPS you mentioned above is unlikely to produce real hydrostatic shock. According to everything I've read a bullet has to be pushing 2800-3000FPS before hydrostatic shock becomes a significant factor.
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I like the 50 grain load in my 50. You can shoot this load all day long without beating up your shoulder with the heaver bullets. my boys also like the 50 grain load. any higher on charge they complain it kicks to hard. the 50 grain up to 90 grains seem to be the most accurate in my gun. I have in the past loaded my riffle down to see if it would still go through a old thick metal round door refrigerator. I stopped. At 10 grains of powder . It went through the front door and made a huge dent in the back at only 10 grains. I could not believe at only 10 grins it still had this kind of power .


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