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Mute8s 08-27-2011 08:30 PM

Need help identifying this old black powder gun
 
Can anyone help me id this gun?

http://www.mute8s.com/bp/IMG_0155.jpg

http://www.mute8s.com/bp/IMG_0157.jpg

I have a bunch of other pictures of the markings n stuff at http://www.mute8s.com/bp but didnt have the time to post them all here.

Hawg 08-27-2011 09:52 PM

Looks like something cobbled together in Afghanistan.

wjkuleck 08-27-2011 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawg (Post 570763)
Looks like something cobbled together in Afghanistan.

Actually the border territories of Pakistan, by the Pathans.

The barrel is ungodly short for a black powder arm. There's no lock plate on the left side. The Greek-looking characters appear as though they were inscribed by someone who didn't know or use the Roman, Greek or Cyrillic alphabet but thought they could fake the look of them. Overall it's startlingly crude in form, execution and ornamentation. The lack of proof marks underscores the likelihood of its being a home brew from Darra Adam Khel.

Regards,

Walt

Hawg 08-28-2011 01:18 AM

Some parts like the use of escutcheons instead of a side plate and the ramrod retainer are military designs but this "thing" was never military.

Mute8s 08-28-2011 03:27 AM

yeah this is a strange one. I inherited it when my Dad passed away and I didn't even know he had it otherwise I would have asked him about it. Hopefully someone will come along who can id it. :) thanks for the replies so far.

Hawg 08-28-2011 03:30 AM

There is no identifying it. It's a fabrication unto itself. A mishmash of parts handmade and original thrown together in a third world country.

Mute8s 08-28-2011 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawg (Post 570899)
There is no identifying it. It's a fabrication unto itself. A mishmash of parts handmade and original thrown together in a third world country.

Yeah thats what I was afraid of. On a side note while I am pretty much guessing it doesn't do you think this has any value at all? (not that I would want to sell it. I am just assessing my collection)

Hawg 08-28-2011 09:20 AM

Sorry but no real value. It would be an interesting wall hanger or tomato stake.

Rex in OTZ 09-03-2011 01:15 AM

Hacked up Enfield
 
Looks like a hacked up British Enfield.....or a bastardized back alley made version of one.

Mute8s 09-03-2011 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex in OTZ (Post 573766)
Looks like a hacked up British Enfield.....or a bastardized back alley made version of one.

Thats interesting. My father was a big fan of the british Lee Enfield rifles. He had 5 or 6 at least. Thanks for the note. :)


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