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NitroxAZ 11-02-2009 11:40 PM

Iver Johnson 12ga Black Powder
 
I just picked up an Iver Johnson single shot, black powder 12ga. and have some questions for the experts.

1. Are these safe to fire with current 12ga. shells? If not where can I find shells for it? Do I have to handload? If so, where can I find the stuff to do so?

2. How do you tell the age of the gun?

3. I picked it up for $69. Is that a fair price? I am just curious as to market value. It is worth it to me simply because I like the cool brass buttplate with the word "Champion" written in scriptive lettering.

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

c3shooter 11-03-2009 04:05 AM

Everything depends on condition. My crystal ball is in the shop again for a tuneup, so cannot tell what sort of condition your gun is in, or its value. Pix and a list of ALL markings would help.

BTW, what makes you say yours is a black powder shotgun? markings? IF yours is truly a "made for BP' then, NO- modern smokeless ammo could be VERY dangerous to fire.

NitroxAZ 11-03-2009 05:02 PM

I should have included pics but didn't have time when I posted this.

The reason that I think it is a black powder shotgun is that the patent dates on it are '01 and '02. What I found on the interwebz led me to believe that it would be a black powder shotgun.

I appreciate the help and will post pics tonight if I am able.

NitroxAZ 11-04-2009 12:09 AM

Here are the pictures of my latest.
The side of the shotgun reads:
IVER JOHNSON"S
ARMS & CYCLE WORK
FITCHBURG, MASS.U.S.A.

The top of the barrel reads:
CHAMPION PATD.APR.2'01.APR.15'02 PAT PENDING

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5...blackpowir.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2...ablackpowa.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6...gablackpow.jpg

NitroxAZ 11-04-2009 12:11 AM

A couple more pics

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6...gablackpow.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6...gablackpow.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6...gablackpow.jpg

NitroxAZ 11-04-2009 12:14 AM

The buttplate is brass.

In addition to the questions I have asked already. I have one more.

Should I take 0000 steel wool to the nickel? Brasso to the buttplate? Re-finsh the walnut?

NitroxAZ 11-05-2009 07:47 PM

Also, I found this link for black powder shotgun shells. Are they a reliable source or are there better sources?

Powder Inc. (Ammunition Order Form)

TXnorton 11-05-2009 08:25 PM

Don't know about the BP shotgunshells, but I have made several 5 lb. orders for Black Powder from these folks. I have had no problems, so I'd recommend them.

NitroxAZ 11-06-2009 12:10 AM

Will doing things like taking 0000 steel wool to the metal, Brasso to the buttplate and refinishing the stock negatively affect the value?

Hawg 11-09-2009 12:39 AM

The Champions will handle smokeless shells but the chamber length is 2 1/2 inches.


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