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Old 11-09-2009, 11:45 PM   #1
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I've been shooting BP pistols and my .54 Sharps for a number of years, but have little real knowledge about other types of BP rifles and accessories.
I have an opportunity to buy a pretty nice Hawkin to go shoot in my friends club for under $800.00.
Description: Hawkin style 54 caliber percussion rifle with a 1" G. R. Douglas 1 X 66 twist, 31" barrel, Harold Robbins precision percussion lock, double set triggers, brass butt plate, Williams rear aperture sight, and a Globe front. The wood on this rifle is hard rock maple with a cast end cap. The markings on top of the barrel are "G. R. Douglas 54"
Any input or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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Sharps shooter

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Old 11-10-2009, 11:53 AM   #2
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I can't help you much with the valuation on the Hawken, I recently bought a Pedersoli .54 Hawken with a maple stock new for around $800. Yours sounds like a custom build and should be worth at least $800, but I am no expert on valuations.

Now tell me about your .54 Sharps. Is this the breech loading paper cartridge rifle? I have been intrigued by those, and have been curious to now how complicated it is to make the paper cartridges.

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It's an Armsport .54 Sharps replica.
Cartridges are made by soaking 20 lb. rag bond paper, cut to a pattern, in a solution of potassium nitrate & water. Once the paper is dry, the paper is rolled around and lightly glue tacked to the bullet. The powder charge is then poured in and the end folded and crimped. When loading and closing the action, the end of the paper is sliced off, exposing the powder to the cap hole.
Interestingly, there is a 20 grain difference between using this type of cartridge vs just loading a bullet and pouring in loose powder-the solution of potassium nitrate intensifies the gunpowder, and virtually disappears with little trace when fired. 70 grains in a cartridge, up to 90 g without.
It's a really fun gun to shoot!
PS I see you're an "adopted" Texan; I'm originally from the left coast, but have had family here since Germans settled the hill country.
It's the last free place in this country, don't you think?

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PS I see you're an "adopted" Texan; I'm originally from the left coast, but have had family here since Germans settled the hill country.
It's the last free place in this country, don't you think?
Sharps Shooter:

I appreciate the input, I shoot a 1874 Sharps (.45-70) with BP cartridges, as well as a couple of .54 cal muzzleloaders and I have been interested in getting a Sharps paper cartridge carbine. What bullet type and diameter do you shoot?

As far as Texas goes, it may not be the last free place in this country at this time, but if things continue the way they are headed under Obama, it WILL be. Texas will succede before totally succumbing to socialism.

BTW, I also love the Hill Country and I have a small acreage place there for my retirement home. I love the German flavor (literally) of the Hill Country especially around Fredricksburg. Are you in Texas now?
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IMHO for it to be worth the 800 it would have to be a good copy of an original Hawken. The brass butt plate isn't correct and the barrel is too short. Hawken furniture was all iron with barrels ranging from 34-42 inches. The Douglas barrel is nice but not worthy of an 800 buck price tag by itself.

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Hi, all
I've been shooting BP pistols and my .54 Sharps for a number of years, but have little real knowledge about other types of BP rifles and accessories.
I have an opportunity to buy a pretty nice Hawkin to go shoot in my friends club for under $800.00.
Description: Hawkin style 54 caliber percussion rifle with a 1" G. R. Douglas 1 X 66 twist, 31" barrel, Harold Robbins precision percussion lock, double set triggers, brass butt plate, Williams rear aperture sight, and a Globe front. The wood on this rifle is hard rock maple with a cast end cap. The markings on top of the barrel are "G. R. Douglas 54"
Any input or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Sharps shooter
Sharp Shooter: This may help Remove the barrel on the Douglas barrel Rifle on the bottom flat next to the breach If you see a double XX it is a douglas traget grade barrel there best and they will bring a premium price. pete
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