[andrewfs]

sorry again, now I have deleted them from this hard drive by mistake, so I will try again later

[andrewfs]

Originally Posted by W. C. Quantrill

Cant see the rifling from here. Sounds real interesting though.

I have taken two more photos of the bore of the rifle and you can actually see a little way inside. one of the pics on the right side of the bore, you can see the groove inside the flat part. It's kind of hard to see but look really close and you can see it.

[andrewfs]

Originally Posted by andrewfs

sorry again, now I have deleted them from this hard drive by mistake, so I will try again later

YAY, here they are, you can see down the bore a little so maybe you can actually see the grooves.

[W. C. Quantrill]

It is interesting muzzle decoration, I cant see if that is just at the muzzle or if it goes on down. I am forwarding them to a couple BP gunsmiths near the origin of this rifle and see what they have to say .

[andrewfs]

Originally Posted by W. C. Quantrill

It is interesting muzzle decoration, I cant see if that is just at the muzzle or if it goes on down. I am forwarding them to a couple BP gunsmiths near the origin of this rifle and see what they have to say .

Thanks for that! I will be looking for any info you may find out!

[andrewfs]

I found another website that deals exclusively with flintlocks/percussion rifles. The owner of the site told me "It is a plains rifle from about 1850" "there were so many makers then that it is difficult to attribute it to anyone. I then asked if he would insure it if he were me, and he said,"1200 to 1500" I have also found that the Plains rifle is known as a Hawken..

[Hawg]

A Hawken it is most definitely not. I think Quantrill has it nailed.

[andrewfs]

Originally Posted by Hawg

A Hawken it is most definitely not. I think Quantrill has it nailed.

OH I do agree with you, It is not a hawken but I have found while searching the net that some people Interchange Plains Rifle and Hawken Rifle in their terminology. I never have heard anything back from The Antique Road Show appraiser.

[andrewfs]

Originally Posted by andrewfs

The rifle was made in St Louis about 1860 maybe later, it was owned by Stephen Stutler from West VA and he used it for hunting. The lady I got it from told me she had it appraised a while back in Denver and the appraiser told her somewhere between 1000 and 1500 bucks. It was german made and considered semi fancy..

The rifle was made around 1850, not 1860. It was used by Mr. Stutler during that time.
He or his cousin, by the same name, was in the Civil War. I believe on the Southern Side.
They were both from what is now known as West Virginia, at that time it was all Virginia.