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RMc 09-30-2010 04:10 PM

Bulk Smokeless Powder for ML
 
Blackhorn 209 is a bulk nitrocellulose smokeless powder for primer ignition muzzleloaders.

http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Blackhorn209.pdf

stalkingbear 09-30-2010 10:29 PM

Blackhorn 209 isn't the same as smokeless powder. It's supposed to be very good and clean burning but I haven't tried it yet as I still have a few pounds of Jim Shokey Gold left.

RMc 09-30-2010 11:39 PM

Bulk Smokeless
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stalkingbear (Post 360631)
Blackhorn 209 isn't the same as smokeless powder. It's supposed to be very good and clean burning but I haven't tried it yet as I still have a few pounds of Jim Shokey Gold left.

"...an independent spectrographic and gas chromatograph analysis of Blackhorn 209 conducted by Luke Haag and published by C. Rodney James in 2009 (Single Shot Rifle Journal, Jan/Feb 2009, Vol. 62, NO. 1) revealed that it is a nitrocellulose base powder with potassium nitrate and sulfur added..."

http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Blackhorn209.pdf

stalkingbear 09-30-2010 11:42 PM

Yeah but what I'm saying is it's not conventional smokeless powder due to the burn rate-lest someone out there try it at home with smokeless powder in their muzzleloader.

RMc 09-30-2010 11:56 PM

Understand.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stalkingbear (Post 360671)
Yeah but what I'm saying is it's not conventional smokeless powder due to the burn rate-lest someone out there try it at home with smokeless powder in their muzzleloader.

That is probably why BlackHorn 209 is marketed without mention of its nitrocellulose base.

Highpower 10-01-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMc (Post 360670)
"...an independent spectrographic and gas chromatograph analysis of Blackhorn 209 conducted by Luke Haag and published by C. Rodney James in 2009 (Single Shot Rifle Journal, Jan/Feb 2009, Vol. 62, NO. 1) revealed that it is a nitrocellulose base powder with potassium nitrate and sulfur added..."

http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Blackhorn209.pdf

As for the rest of the story....
Quote:

Western also claims that Blackhorn 209 has absolutely none of the corrosive effects of black powder and many black powder subs. However, an independent spectrographic and gas chromatograph analysis of Blackhorn 209 conducted by Luke Haag and published by C. Rodney James in 2009 (Single Shot Rifle Journal, Jan/Feb 2009, Vol. 62, NO. 1) revealed that it is a nitrocellulose base powder with potassium nitrate and sulfur added. The latter two compounds can combine during ignition to form potassium sulfate and possibly sulfur trioxide which readily combine with moisture in the air to form sulfuric acid.

Therefore, unless they have changed their formulation in the past twelve months and removed the sulfur, Blackhorn 209 has some of the same corrosive components of conventional black powder.
http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Blackhorn209.pdf

It appears to me that there is a pattern of leaving out specific information about this product from both the manufacturer and reviewers. Things like the fact that is packaged in a standard 1 lb. canister, but only contains 10 ounces of power. Doesn't exactly give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about the stuff. :cool:

I don't own an in-line muzzle loader so I have no dog in this hunt. But after looking at a few independent reviews on the web about the powder, it appears to be good stuff for some applications, but not so much for others. (Shotgun and small caliber metallic cartridges.) I have also read that the nitrocellulose base is not allowed for use in certain matches or some states for hunting?

Also interesting is the fact that I cannot find a published MSDS sheet for the product. Just some observations from the sideline.

quigleysharps4570 10-01-2010 08:13 PM

Guess I don't need to worry about it...regular ole blackpowder is all I shoot. ;)

alsaqr 10-03-2010 11:44 AM

RMc, thanks for the link. i know a guy who left his Knight rifle uncleaned for a couple of weeks after firing it using BlackHorn. Now the bore is rusted and pitted.

IMO: BlackHorn is too darn expensive and i will stick with Goex Pinnacle and JSG.

whtsmoke 10-03-2010 11:24 PM

Quigley you are my kind of guy, nothing but black. 2fdown the tube and 4f in the pan, what else could you ask for?:)

RMc 10-04-2010 01:34 AM

I take a slightly different trail:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whtsmoke (Post 362303)
Quigley you are my kind of guy, nothing but black. 2fdown the tube and 4f in the pan, what else could you ask for?:)

Check this thread on another seldom used direction for "traditional black powder hunting."

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f50/whats-wrong-hunting-squirrels-shotgun-31964/index3.html


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