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Old 04-12-2013, 08:35 PM   #21
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Two barrels of the same nominal length for the same caliber, and same model are not truly identical. They are mostly hammer forged now, I think, which means that a blank is heated, softened, and hammered around a die. But there can be miniscule differences in the metallurgy of 2 barrels, if there are 2 different dies used, they won't be identical in size and shape throughout their entire length, and when the barrels are heat-treated to harden them, they won't come out with the same identical hardness throughout. Also, the bullets are cast or swaged, and there may be slight differences in weight due to slight differences in the lead/tin/antimony/copper alloy in 2 bullets from the same batch. The tolerances used in controlling the barrels and bullets are in the order of 1/10,000th of an inch, but they are not expected to be exactly identical in every respect. Also the powder charges are weighed to 1/10th of a grain, so there may be a few 100ths of a grain difference. Often the grooves in a barrel are not perfectly smooth, and therefore invoke small differences in the friction the bullets encounter when they are shot.



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Once you've accounted for all the quantifiable variables OP - 2 identical barrels will still shoot the same ammo differently - Why - it's a ZEN thing... ...

Note: barrel harmonics can also be changed...



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Am I the only person on earth that likes these??!!
Whats the big problem with them? Im starting to think its your guys crappy guns not the ammo...

The Golden Rems are what both of my .22 like best..
My .22's are ancient too, one is a Winchester from 1933 and the other is a 1964 Weatherby

It seems that older bolt guns shoot anything well. If I have ammo that shoots crappy out of my Semi, break out the old 1952 bolt and use it up.


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I like em too they shoot out of my marlin great
My marlin hates them. Besides Xpert it is the only ammo that does not cycle my Marlin. This rifle cycles Aguila and CCI sub sonics better.

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Once you've accounted for all the quantifiable variables OP - 2 identical barrels will still shoot the same ammo differently - Why - it's a ZEN thing... ...

Note: barrel harmonics can also be changed...

Correct, how much torque has been applied to the action screws.
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Am I the only person on earth that likes these??!!
Whats the big problem with them? Im starting to think its your guys crappy guns not the ammo...

The Golden Rems are what both of my .22 like best..
My .22's are ancient too, one is a Winchester from 1933 and the other is a 1964 Weatherby

I hate them because my handgun sucks at feeding hollow points and the Remington hollow points jam more than anything else.
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I hate them because my handgun sucks at feeding hollow points and the Remington hollow points jam more than anything else.
That is not an ammo issue.
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I hate them because my handgun sucks at feeding hollow points and the Remington hollow points jam more than anything else.
The Remington golden hollow points will jam almost every time in my M60 but the round nose bullets work no problem
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That is not an ammo issue.
Any idea as to why?
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Am I the only person on earth that likes these??!!
Whats the big problem with them? Im starting to think its your guys crappy guns not the ammo...

The Golden Rems are what both of my .22 like best..
My .22's are ancient too, one is a Winchester from 1933 and the other is a 1964 Weatherby

Golden bullets have got to be the dirtiest .22 ammo I have shot. Not to mention their extreme range of power charges. I think Remington just throws whatever amount of powder in they want at the time.
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Both my S&W 22A and my Ruger SR22 like the Rem Golden Bullet best out of any other brand I've tried.

Any of you guys that don't like these bullets are invited to send all you've got to me and I'll happily dispose of them for you.

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Both my S&W 22A and my Ruger SR22 like the Rem Golden Bullet best out of any other brand I've tried.

Any of you guys that don't like these bullets are invited to send all you've got to me and I'll happily dispose of them for you.
Interesting, I had a S&W 22 that ate Remington golds without ever a hiccup. My Colt/Umarex 1911 dislikes them occasionally, and the Walther P22 just absolutely hates them all the time. They all have run other popular brands with no problems...


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