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Old 10-08-2012, 06:09 AM   #261
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Yes guns made in Japan are nice products. However, Japan is a rabid antigun nation. Japan finances all antigun movements thru out the world and much of it is spent in the U.S.A.

I will not buy a firearm made in Japan and donate to the enemy of American Freedoms. I think we should all send letters to Browning and ask them to bring their jobs home.

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I've also got them both. One 17 Savage 93BSEV and a handful of .22mags and some .22 mag revolvers. I prefer the 22 mag. They are two different cartridges, kind of like a .223 and a .308.

I don't think either one will go away unless the socialist demos get in again and every thing goes away. I like to think people here would rebel, but I don't think the present population will. Like some smart people wrote about early on in the Obama administration---Obama is not the problem the United States has to worry about. He will only be around for a short time and then gone. But the real problem is those that voted for him, they will still be there for a very long time. We allowed too many yahoos in along with all the illegal ones that we said can stay. The dumbing of America was real, and now we are stuck with it.

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l don,t see the 22 mag going any where, it's tried and true. I bough one when Winchester made it in the model 61M and that was in 11/1961 and still have it. It's been all over NY State and for a while in Alaska when l was stationed there in 1963 to 65, did a nice job on those big snow shoe rabbits.

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I have only one true .22Mag gun; an Italian-made Puma 1873 SAA replica that came with both long rifle and magnum cylinders. Shooting the gun setup for the mags is pretty similar to the LR experience; but there is noticeably more recoil running the mags which I attribute to the seven-and-a-half-inch barrel. Since this is a gun made more for the feel and look of the old Colts than accuracy or deadly effect, I don't see the need for the magnum ability. but since it came with the thing, I'll still occasionally use it.
I today bought a different kind of .22 magnum; a Rock Island Armory .22TCM (or Micro Mag) that uses a necked-down 9mm casing to spit a 43-grain .223 JHP round at over 2000 fps! While not a rimfire round, it is definitely a .22 and most definitely a Magnum with a capital "M"! It may just be that the future of .22 mag lies in a wildcat round like this, perhaps not for plinking and varmints but in hi-cap carbines for SOF use or super-concealable micro-machine-pistols providing security to high-value targets. I think that little-bitty-bullets are far from obsolete!

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The cheapest thing manufacturers could do to improve loading procedure in .22 mag would be to taper the bullet's nose. As it is, you hardly see a semi handgun in .22Mag. That extra length seems to create a loading problem in extraction and loading configurations that does not occur with the shorter .22LR. I don't think there is more wobble, but the added length seems make it more pronounced. Once the round is in the chamber, it's good to go. Very accurate, quite powerful. I compare the two with a Ruger single six convertible.
On the other hand, with my Henry lever action .22Mag I have to exercise care racking the action or risk jam. You just have to be deliberate and smooth with it. If you get in a rush, it is easy to jam it.
That said, the added accuracy at range, 60-70 yards my opinion, more than makes up for the discipline required to operate it successfully.
Yeah, .22Mag. Great round. Gun manufacturers will someday recognize it's unique value and address its special needs. Once they do, we will all benefit. The (rumored) oversized Ruger cylinder, said to hold 10 or more shots, is in the right direction.
If I have not made myself clear, it is that long skinny shape that causes the loading problems. Necked cartridges have a way of finding the hole, even under duress. So do short fatties like the nine. Long skinnies have special needs.

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The cheapest thing manufacturers could do to improve loading procedure in .22 mag would be to taper the bullet's nose.
What do you mean? It's already tapered. You mean make it pointed?
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Yes, pointy. That's just a suggestion from a non-gunsmith non-engineer for tinkering around
with auto loading designs. That would be a band aid approach.
I consider my Henry repeater a quality firearm. With an 18" barrel, the front sight points and tracks
like a dream. When I first got it, I had a few jams. Then, I got used to the feel and got some rhythm
with it, those jams disappeared. Still, I have wondered what might happen if I ever got in a hurry and
forgot myself. Hopefully, that won't ever happen. I still consider it second line of defense for intruders,
after the shotgun.
I am shooting a Beretta Bobcat in 22LR lately. Now, there is an awesome little handgun with a sure
to fire first shot. Put the wrong ammo in it and it won't cycle 100%. I cant think of a palm sized autoloader
in 22Mag. If they make one, I'd buy it.

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They do make a 22 mag round with a pointed bullet. Winchester, I think. That Hornady ballistic tip type bullet seems to be showing up everywhere.
If I'm not mistaken, there are a few 22 mag auto pistols. There was a thread about that here a few months ago. Inquire with Bigshrek, he seems to know about such things.

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I don't see the 22 magnum going anywhere as long as companies like Kel-Tec keep making the PMR 30 and hopefully eventually will come out with the RMR 30 carbine.

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...If I'm not mistaken, there are a few 22 mag auto pistols. There was a thread about that here a few months ago. Inquire with Bigshrek, he seems to know about such things.
Someone call??

Current stuff...
Keltec's PMR-30, if you can find one at MSRP, GRAB IT!! Most dealers are gouging on this one...
ARMSCOR USA just announced at Shotshow a 1911-style .22WMR, you better believe I'm waiting for that one
High Standard of Texas - Automag II, HS bought out AMT, and is making it again...I wasn't fond of it the first time, too many issues...
Excel's Accelerator pistol...blockyer than an 80's Volvo...literally feels like firing a brick.

Old Stuff that's no longer made...
Grendel P-30 & P-31...good stuff IF you take the time to Goldenloki.com 'em...precision polishing required for best results.
AMT Automag II...much like their foray into Harley-Davidson, much trouble abounds...cool designs on the Automag series tho...


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