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Old 09-30-2012, 05:37 AM   #251
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I looked on the Marlin website, I guess that nice 1894 is no longer made in 22 magnum. Would like to find a nice used one. I love the 22 magnum as much as any firearm I have ever had. My first one was a bolt action model 783 , the one where forward on the safety was sage and back was fire.
Yep, I was wondering why they pulled the 1895M from the lineup...might be time for an Email Campaign!!
Finding used ones on the auction sites is proving...costly...
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With Marlins QC problems of late I would look at a used rifle or consider a savage.

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With Marlins QC problems of late I would look at a used rifle or consider a savage.
Savage all the way. IMHO, of course. Accutrigger, 'nuff said.
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I agree with the .22Mag being a much more versatile round and an excellent small animal caliber. Heck, the plain old .22LR is better than .17 for hunting purposes.

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With Marlins QC problems of late I would look at a used rifle or consider a savage.
Anytime you switch production from an old, decrepit line using antique machinery, fire the old crew,
and start a new CNC manufacturing line...with new workers...you're gonna have a few issues before things start clicking again...

The X-7 lines were already made elsewhere, and were unaffected by the change...still Sub-MOA for under $299!!

The 60/795/70PSS lines are running at pre-2005 precision...which is to say, far better than the last seven years...
took a lot of buttkicking to get 'em that way...and the 3/8" accessory rail fault (2005-2011) has been permanently resolved

The XT22 lines are finally getting under control...has a few issues with them, but other than the New-Style Synthetic Stock,
they're finally up to pre-2005 standards and getting better...and they brought out Marlin's version of the Accutrigger...called the Profire Adjustable...
Most synthetic stocks have weak forearms...the new 2012 XT stock is better than the 2011, but its still a synthetic...and still a bit on the weak side...
Around June of 2012, most of the manufacturing surpassed the previous work of Marlin in Connecticut from 2005-2011.

The Levers are still going thru growing pains...they are more labour intensive...and a total bazitchie if you aren't used to them...lol
Marlin stopped that line & retrained everyone on it...there's still a lot of tiny annoyance issues coming out, but those get solved as they are reported...

Overall, I figure by 2013, all the lines will be equal to 1990's Marlin manufacturing...
and as they get used to making things with CNC Equipment and learning how to make those precision parts even better...
we'll see 1960's quality within a few years...


Marlin has always made killer barrels attached to stout actions that'll last 200 years...but with lousy triggers...that hasn't changed since the late 1800's...
at least the X-7 & XT22/XT17 bolt-actions got the Profire Upgrade
the 60/795/70PSS has aftermarket to use...specifically the DIP trigger group replacement kit...
and the Lever actions have always had the Happy Trigger aftermarket kit...

All that's left for the Marlin owner to do is polish the internals and tweak the trigger...
rarely do you hear of a Marlin getting a barrel change because they are Button-Rifled and dang near match quality from the box!!

I don't put Marlin on a pedestal...they are what they are...inexpensive yet good quality firearms with awesome barrels...
I'm the owner of a 1953 Marlin 336RC Waffle-Top with a badly indexxed barrel...Marlin has never been perfect...just solidly built.
Looking at the array of Marlins I have, its easy to see that quality technically slowly dropped off in the 1980's...and declined through 2011...
at least with new CNC gear, and new workers looking to prove themselves, there is hope for the future

One more thing...for every 10 people you hire, you've eventually got to get rid of 7 or 8 for being "less than optimal"...
it takes time to weed out the hidden druggies, those with other issues, and those just there for a paycheck who don't give a dang...
So once you get a good crew together, and get them all on the Same Page...things on that manufacturing line then begin to get good...
you start getting back customer reports of issues that crop up, and you change things to fix those issues...which is not instantaneous...
its just the nature of the beast...work anywhere that manufacturing is involved & see all this and worse...
on the upside, Marlin's slowly getting their squishy together...and that's good for all of us who love precision at low prices!!
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big shrek, you talk like you're an insider in this industry, or al least have some manufacturing experience.....

IMHO, '05 to '11 is a long time to take to get something up and running. If you're making less than an excellent product, how many customers are you loosing in that timeframe? I wouldn't stick around 6 years........at the Job Shop I work at, we get MAYBE 3 chances to get it right, or we're kicked to the curb.

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big shrek, you talk like you're an insider in this industry, or al least have some manufacturing experience.....

IMHO, '05 to '11 is a long time to take to get something up and running. If you're making less than an excellent product, how many customers are you loosing in that timeframe? I wouldn't stick around 6 years........at the Job Shop I work at, we get MAYBE 3 chances to get it right, or we're kicked to the curb.
'05-to late '10 was when Marlin was on the decline due to being for sale...many workers retired or went elsewhere...
leaving quite a few schmucks...hence the 60, 70PSS & 795 3/8" rail issue & a few dozen other problems specific to that time period...
only a very few good ones stayed until the fat lady sang...mostly lever-action line workers...
in '11 the switch occured, lines were shut down temporarily to make the switch to NY & KY...
by early '12 most lines were back up & running, but running questionably at first...lever-action just got back on a month or two ago...
now most of 'em are decent...but need feedback from consumers to figure out what they're doing right or wrong...
because NOBODY seems to know how to QC a dang firearm in NY anymore...go figure, thank Bloomberg & the Liberal anti-gunners for that...

I'm not quite sure what the heck the management is doing at either location...I've talked to one Manager who seems competent...
and he seemed rather intent on making sure his section ran as well as possible...
but one never really knows until they work someplace how good or bad it is...


Japanese-owned MFR's tend to be VERY precise...and wouldn't put up with even 5% of the stuff that comes out of American MFR lines...
But, they spend enough time training their people properly to BE precise and Take Honor & Pride in their jobs...
where in America, we kinda gives folks a week or two of training & throw them on the line to "See what they can do"...

We've forgotten the value of Apprenticeships...
We've skipped over doing a good quality job that lasts forever, for a fast shoddy one to meet the bottom line...
and hey, if we do a crappy job, they'll come back more often for repairs...
and that's what PEEVES ME OFF!!! We used to make the World's Best Products...
now we all buy chinese knockoffs because they're 1/5 the cost...even After adding in the overseas shipping costs!!
How many have a cheap $20-30 blender on our counter instead of a $250 Hobart or Kitchenaid??
because you can get 10 of the cheapies for the price of a good one that lasts forever??

How many folks buy a $500 CZ instead of a $150 Marlin & then put the work into the Marlin to make it more precise than the CZ??
Not too many...

Screwy, ain't it??


Don't mind me, I'm just a crabby old grouch...lol
I've turned into the old fart who yells at kids to get off his lawn...argh!!
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Japanese-owned MFR's tend to be VERY precise...and wouldn't put up with even 5% of the stuff that comes out of American MFR lines...
But, they spend enough time training their people properly to BE precise and Take Honor & Pride in their jobs...
where in America, we kinda gives folks a week or two of training & throw them on the line to "See what they can do"...

We've forgotten the value of Apprenticeships...
We've skipped over doing a good quality job that lasts forever, for a fast shoddy one to meet the bottom line...
and hey, if we do a crappy job, they'll come back more often for repairs...
and that's what PEEVES ME OFF!!! We used to make the World's Best Products...
now we all buy chinese knockoffs because they're 1/5 the cost...even After adding in the overseas shipping costs!!
How many have a cheap $20-30 blender on our counter instead of a $250 Hobart or Kitchenaid??
because you can get 10 of the cheapies for the price of a good one that lasts forever??
Damn straight. +10. So are you an insider at Marlin?

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How many folks buy a $500 CZ instead of a $150 Marlin & then put the work into the Marlin to make it more precise than the CZ??
Not too many...
I will be. So what are you saying? That to get the Marlin and do the work would be preferable? I don't have any vandetta against Marlin or anything, they have just not come up on my radar.... I have noticed that to buy something and improve it usually turns out to be more expensive that buying the thing that does the job right out of the box. Like the mixer. Sometimes I go for the Hobart, sometimes to Walmart.......usually the 1st one.
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This is the only .22 mag I own and it's capable of doing things that most people wouldn't believe. It's the Anschutz model 1518 Mannlicher with 20" barrel. The scope that's mounted is a Weatherby XXII 4x50.

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Damn straight. +10. So are you an insider at Marlin?



I will be. So what are you saying? That to get the Marlin and do the work would be preferable? I don't have any vandetta against Marlin or anything, they have just not come up on my radar.... I have noticed that to buy something and improve it usually turns out to be more expensive that buying the thing that does the job right out of the box. Like the mixer. Sometimes I go for the Hobart, sometimes to Walmart.......usually the 1st one.

Nope, don't work at Marlin, I'm in the wrong state...
Got my experience dealing with MFR'ing motorcycles for awhile after medically retiring from the Army...
truly there are things folks don't wanna know about the odd stuff that happen in a factory...
but that's a thread or three in itself...


The mods for a Marlin are simple...Pillar Bedding & floating the barrel, polish the bolt & where it slides, and a fast trigger job...cost is Low...
good way to play for a weekend if you like doing that sort of thing...bedding takes time while you wait for the Acraglass to dry...
everything else takes less than an hour...

My first Marlin 25MN got me hooked...Micro-groove barrels are truly an unsung hero...
after that abused Marlins with good bores kept falling into my lap...loving to tinker, I fix 'em up and use 'em as they were intended!

Best thing for those looking to learn how to fix firearms...Apprentice to a gunsmith at a local Gun Shop!!
Or even spend two days a week helping an old one out...amazing what one can learn by watching experienced hands!!
Helps to find the right folks...make friends first, then ask to learn...
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