[big shrek]

Oh, and someone mentioned the Keltec offering.
RMR-30 prototype


Not too bad lookin!! I like the OD green!!

The ONE thing George carried over from the P-30/P-31/R31 design to the PMR/RMR is the same lower is used on all three weapons.
Everything else is quite different.


I do suggest, that whether you get a Keltec or Grendel, you go to goldenloki.com and learn about how to tweak your weapon.
http://www.goldenloki.com/gunsmith/keltec/fullrp.htm
Its also great for making dang near every semi-auto weapon you will ever own MUCH more reliable.

[snipe1083]

.22 mag and .17 hmr are both graet rounds and have different applications in witch one is is better suited than the other. There are things that .22 wmr can do that 17 hmr cant

[Belltactical]

I dunno. Never shot the .17 but I'm having a blast with the 22mag. The vmax rounds sizzle through the chrono and the groupings at the 50 yd line were impressive. Everyone says its really a flat flight so since I'll be at 100yds all day today, I'll give it a spin and see where it shots. Love this rifle.

[HockaLouis]

.17 will fade away in a generation.
.22 Mag, with all the basic features of the LR but twice the power, is the cat's pajamas.

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by HockaLouis

.17 will fade away in a generation.
.22 Mag, with all the basic features of the LR but twice the power, is the cat's pajamas.

they actually said this many years ago about many of the centerfire 17 calibers. but they are starting to come back into fashion again, as Hornady is offering a new 17 Hornet. a 22 Hornet necked down to a 17. based on the 17 Ackley Hornet he pioneered many years ago. savage is marketing their M25 in this caliber now as a new offering. the 17HMR will never take the place of the 22WMR, but many such as myself will continue to enjoy them for what they are. very fast accurate rimfire, best used on windless days! i think the 17HMR will stick around for awhile.

[jackrich3]

I believe the 22mag's future is solid. Firepower at a decent price is too hard to ignore. I just wish Ruger would start making the 10-22mag again. The existing rifles all seem to be gold plated judging from the prices. And I'm on a waiting list for the Kel-tec 30 rounder. A serious pistol. You can tell the popularity of 22mag by the way its prices are starting to climb.

[Scratchammo]

If .22 mag were sold in bulk like its LR counterpart I'd have one of those instead. It would make sense to me to charge the same for an identical sized box of .22 mag as a box of LR, of course you'd get fewer rounds but think of the sales. Until then I'll use Aguila Supermax to closely replicate WMR performance.

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by Scratchammo

If .22 mag were sold in bulk like its LR counterpart I'd have one of those instead. It would make sense to me to charge the same for an identical sized box of .22 mag as a box of LR, of course you'd get fewer rounds but think of the sales. Until then I'll use Aguila Supermax to closely replicate WMR performance.

They do sell them in bulk. Ammoarms.com i think os the web site my fiancee gets mine off from. She pays $30 shipping paid for 250 cci maxi mag hp. Same for same amount of winchester jhp. $60 for same amount of winchester 30 gr super v ballistic tips.

God didnt make all men equal colonel Sam Colt did

[BearTaylor]

No need for a .17 so I don't intend to own one but I do like .22LR and .22 mag handguns and rifles. However, in my 50 years of plinking and hunting I have never purchased a box of .22 shorts or longs. Go figure.

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by BearTaylor

No need for a .17 so I don't intend to own one but I do like .22LR and .22 mag handguns and rifles. However, in my 50 years of plinking and hunting I have never purchased a box of .22 shorts or longs. Go figure.

we used the shorts or shotshells in a 9 shot revolver for killing rats in the feed barns. worked great and didn't have to worry about tearing up the barn!