[axxe55]

the 17hmr is a niche round that will have loyal followers just like a lot of niche calibers like the 204 ruger cartridge. IMO, there is no danger in the 22wmr ever being made exinct anytime soon. will the 17hmr fade away? only time will tell. as long as they keep making ammo for it, i will keep shooting mine.

[Mongo]

I have and old Sears J C Higgins Model 42 DLM which is really a Marlin 980. It is more accurate than the new model stainless with the "accutrigger" that my friend Skip just bought.

[Gonzilla]

What bothers me is probably just a manufacturing issue but noted gunwriters talk about 1.5" @ 100yds as being the norm for 22 mag while just about every 17 is MOA or sub MOA right out of the box.

Is the problem inherit in the cartridge ? A rifle can only shoot within the performance limits of the ammunition and I am weary of reading stellar reports on the 17 and practically nothing about the 22 mag.

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by Gonzilla

What bothers me is probably just a manufacturing issue but noted gunwriters talk about 1.5" @ 100yds as being the norm for 22 mag while just about every 17 is MOA or sub MOA right out of the box.

Is the problem inherit in the cartridge ? A rifle can only shoot within the performance limits of the ammunition and I am weary of reading stellar reports on the 17 and practically nothing about the 22 mag.

Thats bs. Most 22 mags will shoot moa easily with the right blammo. Any polymer tipped round should shoot moa if not sub moa easily.

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

[jpattersonnh]

Originally Posted by Marlinman

Thats bs. Most 22 mags will shoot moa easily with the right blammo. Any polymer tipped round should shoot moa if not sub moa easily.

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

I agree. My A-bolt .22mag has a hunting contour barrel, It will shoot well under 1" 5 shot groups all day long w/ CCI Maxi mags.

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by jpattersonnh

I agree. My A-bolt .22mag has a hunting contour barrel, It will shoot well under 1" 5 shot groups all day long w/ CCI Maxi mags.

Remington vmax is great ammo also-for remington rimfire that is. So is the winchester, hornady or any cci round. My marlin 882 shoots them all great

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

[cbibb]

22mag is here to stay they have really come along way with ammo but on the other hand the 17hmr will be around for along time also it to is a good round it has its place that's what makes the world go round variety just like 22lr and 17m2 but 22lr is winning but people under estimate the 17m2

[MidnightExpress]

Originally Posted by Gonzilla

What bothers me is probably just a manufacturing issue but noted gunwriters talk about 1.5" @ 100yds as being the norm for 22 mag while just about every 17 is MOA or sub MOA right out of the box.

Is the problem inherit in the cartridge ? A rifle can only shoot within the performance limits of the ammunition and I am weary of reading stellar reports on the 17 and practically nothing about the 22 mag.

That's been my experience with both rounds although I think it's closer to 1.25 for the 22 Mag @ 100yds. It was with two different rifles though and could actually be the rifles themselves. Both are heavy barreled with scopes but one is a stainless, 18" semi-auto and the other is blue, 22" bolt-action.

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by MidnightExpress

That's been my experience with both rounds although I think it's closer to 1.25 for the 22 Mag @ 100yds. It was with two different rifles though and could actually be the rifles themselves. Both are heavy barreled with scopes but one is a stainless, 18" semi-auto and the other is blue, 22" bolt-action.

If thats the best you could do then you need to find better ammo.

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

[big shrek]

Originally Posted by GunNut

The point is "Marketing"! They need to create markets in order to sell more firearms. I think it really is that simple. That dosen't mean we can not enjoy the new products; I for one have owned over 600 firearms and had become a little jaded so when they bring out new stuff I like to give it a try. One of the best examples I can think of is the 5.7X28 FN developed. After FN was done with it to get it imported to our great and glorious land the bullet was dumbed down to near 22WMR ballistics. It is still a pretty neat little round.

The product that most amazed me last year was the PWA upper they came out with. FN demands way too much money for their firearms and the PS90 is a great example, I'll bet it cost them less than $200 to make and they could probably sell them for under $1,000 and still be making a bunch of money. Well they price them at around $2,000 MSRP; although I have seen them as low as $1,400 lately. Then Pac West Arms comes out with a 5.7 upper that fits unto an AR, uses the FN PS90 mags and ejects the spent casings out the bottom of the AR mag well. I was really impressed with the thought and engineering that went into that.

The resolution to the 5.7 is the new .22TCM by ARMSCOR.
Chambered in a 1911-style pistol, it is ballistically similar to the 5.7, but the pistol only costs half as much.
Ammo, at the moment, costs the same, but you can reload...basically you use a 9mm case & a .223 bullet...cheap cheap!!
Dies will be coming out for it this year from the major Press MFR's...and then, 5.7 will be dust in the wind.

Armscor will be making a carbine for it based on the 22MIG style carbine already in production...
so look for it late 2012/early 2013.