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Old 11-17-2012, 04:18 AM   #421
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found a brand call Phoenix, very cheap. Minnesota would not let the FFL transfer it to be because it is so poorly built with cheap materials that it can be destroyed very easily after a crime.

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Old 11-17-2012, 01:01 PM   #422
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I bought my son a Phoenix Arms HP22 early this year. It was his first gun and I wanted him to learn the semi auto platform.

He has only had a couple FTF, but that was due to crappy Walmart ammo. We use Federal Champions all the time now and not one FTF since.

The great thing about this gun is the barrel is exchangeable, from snub nose to long barrel. He regularly changes out the barrel in between mags, but likes the longer barrel for target shooting. The only change we made was removing one of the three safeties. Yes three safeties... Trigger safety, flip rack safety, and mag insert safety. We did a YouTube search and followed the mag safety DIY mod. Very easy to do and worth it. We just don't use the flip safety, so we rely on the trigger safety.

A great gun, inexpensive and should last a VERY long time. I would definitely glad I bought this gun and would recommend it as an inexpensive, fun, reliable gun.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:29 PM   #423
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I read just enough of this thread to see someone bashing the Marlin 60. None of the things he said apply to either of my current 60's or any of the other ones I've owned. I have one that I've put about 175,000 rounds through and it still works very well. It's still accurate and it still feeds and I've never had any problems with the mag separating from the barrel. The stock isn't dinged either unless you count the huge scratch my kids put in it (that happened at least 18 years ago and still neither kid will admit what happened ). I would trust that rifle for any job I need it for still to this day.

I also have a new stainless 60. The receiver is aluminum like all 60's. A magnet proves that quick. The stock is a little soft on it but to be honest the stock on my CZ is softer. It has several dings in it and it's only 2 years old. I was very disappointed in that fact to be honest. The Marlin is laminate and is soft but so far it's held up very well against dings. Laminate can fool a person about how soft they really are. I wouldn't want to use it as a ball bat but it holds it's own as a rifle stock.

BTW I also have a Raven (but it's a .25) that was exceptionally accurate until I figured out how to take it apart to clean it. Now it won't hit anything. It never did feed well though. It is certainly a SNS. I bought it when I was a young and broke college student that needed a pocket pistol at times. I was amazed how accurate it "was". I sank a leaf in my dad's pond from 65 yards with that thing. Dad was speechless. He had been razzing me about emptying the mag quick saying I'd never hit anything like that. He didn't say a word after that leaf went under.

I'm going to add a pistol to the list of rimfire guns to avoid. The Ruger Standard or as it's known the Mk-I is not that great IMO. The Mk-II is a fabulous pistol. It's one of the best I've ever shot. It's incredibly accurate. But I have never shot a Standard that was accurate in the least.

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Old 11-23-2012, 06:34 PM   #424
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O.o ~ Standard Ruger .22 inaccurate...?

Bushwa!

We (my friend and I) have potted bunrabs at 25 yards with a Standard purchased way back in 1969 many a time. Your eyesight must be going...

Funny story ~ My friend bought a used Standard in 1981 and removed the rear sight in preparation for adding a new adjustable sight ordered from Brownell's. The sight was lost in the mail and the replacement arrived several months after the order had been placed.
In the meantime, my friend had continued to shoot the pistol sans rear sight. Long story short, after he installed the new sights, he had to spend a month learning how to shoot the pistol all over again...

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Old 11-24-2012, 06:04 PM   #425
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Hog dumplings. My Raven is more accurate than any Standard Ruger I ever picked up. I can shoot a 2" group at 75 yards with my friend's MkII but I've never seen a Standard that was worth a hoot and I've shot a bunch of them. My eyesight is good enough to shoot sub .1" groups with my Savage MkII BTV and with my CZ 453 American. Besides I was a lot younger when I shot my first Standard. My vision was 20-15 until I hit 45. And BTW 25 yards isn't much of a test for any firearm unless you want to shoot tiny groups with a handgun. I won 12 out of the last 14 shooting contests I was in too so there's nothing wrong with my vision or my ability to shoot. You might have been the lucky one to get a good Standard but they do NOT shoot accurate as a rule. I've shot many of them and not one was accurate.

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You might have been the lucky one to get a good Standard but they do NOT shoot accurate as a rule. I've shot many of them and not one was accurate.
How many is 'many'? One, two, three...?

If these pistol are as inaccurate as You allege, why did you continue to shoot them? Nobody would continue to torture themselves by continually shooting inaccurate pistols...

I call BS!

You just don't like the Standard for some inconceivable reason and have made up this story about their 'inaccuracies'...

The three weapons I have had experience with shot well enough. And, I have regular vision, not this 'superman' vision of 20/15...

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I call ESP - that's the only way you can know what I've done and BTW it isn't working. What I should call is "troll".

Bye.

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Oh that's great!

Picking up your marbles and running away.

It is what usually happens when one realizes they've lost the discussion and can't fight their way out of a paper bag...

IF Ruger Standards were as Inaccurate as you've alleged, Ruger would have gone out of the pistol business.

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If I may

http://www.theshootersbox.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=312

http://www.nrablog.com/post/2012/09/01/American-Rifleman-breaks-down-Rugers-new-22-revolver-and-semi-automatic-pistols.aspx

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/ruger-2245-lite-review/

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rug22pcn.htm

When one can shoot BE at the National High Master level, then one can say Ruger MK 1,2,3 cannot shoot!

I have shot NMC 250 with Runger MK 2.
Many Rugers in this bunch and lower scores. Remembe this is only one handed shooting.

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/natpdf/cp136-12.pdf
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If I may

http://www.theshootersbox.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=312

http://www.nrablog.com/post/2012/09/01/American-Rifleman-breaks-down-Rugers-new-22-revolver-and-semi-automatic-pistols.aspx

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/ruger-2245-lite-review/

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rug22pcn.htm

When one can shoot BE at the National High Master level, then one can say Ruger MK 1,2,3 cannot shoot!

I have shot NMC 250 with Runger MK 2.
Many Rugers in this bunch and lower scores. Remembe this is only one handed shooting.

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/natpdf/cp136-12.pdf
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