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Old 06-01-2012, 01:20 AM   #281
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It would most likely have been a simple fix for anyone familiar with Marlins or tube mag rifles in general.

Sometimes the outer mag tube can get flared on the end, this will let the pin in the inner magazine tube to slip under the J-hook/slot in the outer tube and allow the inner tube to come out. Usually takes just a slight crimp to reshape the outer tube to fix this.

The new tube mag Marlin rifles have a long pin that engages in two slots in the outer tube. The older rifles only engaged on one side and just had one J-hook/slot. Sometimes these single sided pins would wear or be driven in too deep causing the inner tube to slip out as well. A new or longer pin would fix this.

The early rifles also relied on the tension from the magazine spring to keep the inner tube locked in place. This would allow the inner tube to pop out now and then from the vibrations of shooting, but nothing like the frequency you're describing. The new rifles now use a spring and collar under a cap to keep tension on the inner magazine tube.
Good info indeed. There were some other aspects of the 39A that I disliked, so it didn't bother me too much to trade it off.
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:47 AM   #282
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Serious or not, it reads like the irrational rantings of someone who expects too much from reasonably priced rimfire rifles.
If he was referring to the Henry takedown rifle (or survival rifle, or whatever they're calling it these days), it truly is the worst firearm ever to disgrace whatever reputation the .22LR carbine had for reliability's sake. I've owned two. At first I figured the repeated jamming of almost every round was caused by the ammo brand. I went through about 10 brands with no improvement (and a few rounds firing out of battery and detonating right in my face).

After some inspection I then assumed it was due to the feed ramp where much scoring was evident. There isn't enough clearance from the top round to the barrel feed ramp, and the angle of the ramp itself is too narrow and small. So I ground it down a bit to come closer to the top of the magazine and provide a gentler slope for the round to slide into the chamber. Bad idea. Now the rounds were getting stuck at a larger angle and more firing out of battery.

Mind you this was a repeating issue with two separate firearms. I found a company called AR-7 industries which manufactures new aftermarket barrels, so I bought a few, including the bull barrel. Absolutely no improvement, same problems. I also bought some of the higher-capacity 15-round magazines. These fed much worse than the stock mags.

Now I was getting somewhere. It must be the magazine, right? After much research I settled on the ramline 25-round magazine, made of cheap plastic and selling for a whopping 75 dollars due to rarity. I bought one. Amazingly, it fed well with only one or two jams per magazine. I ultimately concluded that the rounded 'banana' shape of the magazine resolved the feeding issues. The stock straight magazines with the slanted follower and stacking result in a serious problem.

The ramline magazine gave me about 200 rounds worth of shooting before one side of the magazine top broke off completely and the rounds would no longer stay in at all.

There were also other problems. The firing pin repeatedly became stuck due to powder fowling. It was basically a piece of metal that looked like a toenail scraper, made of god knows what. It broke once at such an angle that it could not even touch the primer, and I don't dry fire.

Some of the rounds failed to eject after firing because of the weak recoil spring. Some rounds failed to fire because of a weak primer strike. The trigger was gritty. I've had BB gun triggers that were better than this. Inspection of the internals reveals extremely small gauge springs for everything, including the trigger, hammer and bolt recoil springs. The receiver is made of some cast aluminum, and the whole side of it is held on with one small screw; and not very well at that. Cheap grips. Cheap and uncomfortable stock. Cheap barrel nut.

I wouldn't shoot another one if it was given to me for free, and I wouldn't give it to anyone I cared about. That thing is a danger to the shooter. Cheaply made all around. The funny thing is, the ruger 10-22 is about the same price and I've had almost ZERO problems with it, and it's manufactured with much higher quality. Almost every round feeds like butter, it's accurate, the trigger is awesome, mags are cheap and reliable, loads of aftermarket modifications and replacement parts, well made receiver, decent springs. I settled on this rifle as the ultimate 22LR. It puts the Henry to shame.

Henry 22LR = disgrace
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Stay away from the Sig Mosquito.

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I didn't like mine either.... Have a sig 226 and it wasn't even close to that for craftsmanship/quality. Jamming pos.
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I didn't like mine either.... Have a sig 226 and it wasn't even close to that for craftsmanship/quality. Jamming pos.
Yup, exactly.
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I have a smith and Wesson m&p 15-22 I would sell you with two mags and a water proof hardcase with a red dot and iron sites and a bore snake... For $565 yes it's used and it hates shooting Remington ammo... Shoots everything else though very good condition never leaves my side... I clean it every time I take it out...
Thats a joke---right?
Why would you think i want to buy that?
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or survival rifle, or whatever they're calling it these days
They're called U.S. Survival AR-7 now. Stillwater never mentioned which Henry he hates, all he complained about was cast parts and paint. Like you it's probably all of them.

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Henry 22LR = disgrace

it truly is the worst firearm ever to disgrace whatever reputation the .22LR carbine had for reliability's sake.
I'm not about to write off the entire Henry rimfire line because you had two Survival Rifles you couldn't get working. You were either unlucky enough to get two lemons from the same company, not common but it does happen. Or it was owner/operator error, which is much more common. What ever the case, "Henry 22LR = disgrace" and the rest of your opening rant is overstating things, most of the Henry Survival Rifle owners are happy with their rifles.

What's truly disgraceful is just how far some will go to denigrate a product (or with you, the entire Henry product line) simply because they were not satisfied with their firearms purchase.
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that is a nice tidbit of information... Thanks
Just something I picked up on while working on some Marlin rifles in recent years.

I've also seen a lot of "junk" firearms that simply needed to be cleaned and re-oiled to function again. Others only needed a $5-10 part.
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Just something I picked up on while working on some Marlin rifles in recent years.

I've also seen a lot of "junk" firearms that simply needed to be cleaned and re-oiled to function again. Others only needed a $5-10 part.
I've made a few sweet deals buying "junk" at the range & pawn shops, only to clean 'em and make 'em reliable with little effort
Some ended up in my permanent collection...like my $65 find of a 1976 Remington Nylon 66 Bicentennial...
which just needed a serious cleaning...it looked to have never been internally cleaned since it was originally purchased...


This is the info every semi-auto owner needs to learn, commit to memory, and love...
http://www.goldenloki.com/gunsmith/keltec/fullrp.htm
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I think the problem with the Henry Arms Co. is that most of us that are older, grew up using quality Winchester, Remington and Marlin .22's. And because of this we resent the co-opting of the Henry name, with such junky products.

Winchester learned that in the 1970's when they brought out the Winchester 150, the 190, and the 290. They were some of the junkiest .22's ever put on the market. They didn't sell, but they were still better than the Henry's available now.

The Remington Nylon 66's weren't much better. Every time you picked one up the word Mattel went through your mine.

If you want a really good Remington .22 rifle, get a Model 12 or a Model 121. They are every bit as good as the Winchester Model 61 and the Model 62A.

Quality firearms used to be made with Walnut and steel forgings, not cast out of potmetal...!

I know some of you aren't going to like what I've said, in the sentence above. However, if you get exposed to quality firearms, and get to use them, you will learn what I mean.

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