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Old 09-11-2012, 04:59 PM   #31
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You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't understand what is wrong with liking a gun that looks cool.

Isn't that a part of owning and loving guns, or most anything for that matter.

The gun clearly has its pros and cons, but your argument is kind of stupid IMO.
Some of the items that make this look like an AR, while it isn't really, actually are pretty darn functional, e.g., adjustable stock, pistol grip, carry handle, weaver/picatinny mounts everywhere, swivel strap mount.

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I'm not jumping all over you, I'm stateing my reasoning behind having a ar platform .22. Your the judgmental one who is calling them toys, when they are not. I got a ar platform .22 for $280 and it shoots perfectly fine. Just cause you don't own one doesn't make them cheap pieces of crap or just cause you think yours are better. Like you said you've been shooting .22's for 50 years...so your bias to certain things just like music, television programing and many more things. You certainly sound very closed minded toward modern weapons. Just cause its not a bolt of lever action doesnt change that it's the same caliber as your marlin 60. You say you don't think it's a human killer but it "looks like a human killer", what kind of sense does that make?so your saying ar platform rifles are human killers no matter the size of caliber. Oh, and about a week ago a 92 year old ww2 veteran thwarted a robbery with his .22 while also killing one of the BG. I would rather hit with a .22 than miss with a .45. This is a whole nother thread tho since it's a caliber debate. I love all types of firearms but to say one is a toy is kinda irresponsible being that firearms are not toys no matter the material they are made out of or the caliber they are shooting and I'm sure you know this.

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And also if the ar platform isn't a modernized version of anything why isnt our military using m1-garands and mosin nagants still? And since when are firearm owner hesitant to voice their opinion? People argue the 1911 vs GLOCK debate damn near everyday, or the calbier argument...why would the not chime in on this one?

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sorry Jeff, you're all in this by yourself. those anti gunners don't really for the most part care one or another what firearm you have, they want all of them eliminated. just keep drinking that kool-aid if thinking the way your do make you feel better. all firearms are killers, if a person so chooses to use it that way. the only thing you did was substitute the word "human killer" for "assault weapon or rifle". same argument applies.

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Now you see why no one ever mentions this. I didn't say an AR was a human killer. I said it "looks like" a human killer. It isn't a modernized version of anything. It's a Halloween gun dressed up to be something it ain't. Kool Aid? Here I thought it was the "TactiKool" people that were doing that. There's zero reason for a .22 to look like an AR folks except that people like to pretend. I like guns, not toys. And I've been shooting .22's for 50 years so don't bother explaining to me what they will do. Sure they're cheaper to shoot than the real thing. A Marlin 60 is even cheaper. So is a 10/22. And all of them will shoot about the same speed except the Ruger and the Marlin won't jam as much and both will be more accurate.

Not one of you addressed the issue. Do you not look at people dressed like Goths and wonder if they have a screw loose? Think about it. You really think people don't believe that about AR .22's. They've seen how many shootings on their tv screens. Grown men having a toy version of AR's make people think you have a screw loose friends. I'm not trying to insult you. I'm trying to get you to realize we need to win the hearts and minds of people or they will take guns away from us. And having what amounts to a cheap version of a real man killing machine makes people wonder what you're thinking whether you like it or not.

They aren't accurate, they're way overpriced, they aren't reliable, and they don't hold any more ammo than other .22's (like Ruger 10/22's). All people can think to say is that one model is easy to clean. So is my Marlin 60 but it costs about a third of what that M&P15-22 costs. It shoots just as fast and a lot more accurate. And that M&P15-22 is about the best version of the AR wannabe's that you can find. My friend bought a different model that won't shoot a foot pattern at 10 yards. No joke. You can't kill many varmints with a gun like that. And BTW a M&P15-22 weighs the same as a Marlin 795.

I told you people would jump all over me for saying my piece. Well here goes again. If you want to win the hearts and minds of people who vote on gun issues then it's best you don't look like a grown man playing with a dangerous toy and one that replicates rifles that people use to go on a murderous rampage. I can see a lot more reason to own the real thing. You might need one for protection some day. But I see zero reason to own a .22 that looks like an AR other than they look "tacticool". I stopped being impressed by what's cool when I was 12. I remember when things like drugs and free love were considered cool. Being cool really did great things for the world - not. And just what would you think if you saw a group of Arab men carrying around AR looking rifles? Do you not realize that many people think the same thing about anyone that might shoot up a mall or a school?

So what real advantage does one of those rifles actually give you except being "cool"? If you can name just one I'll be impressed. If you want to shoot .22 ammo there are much cheaper and/or better rifles to do it with. I really don't get it at all. And I'm willing to let you all be mad at me for saying my piece because I really believe those rifles do real damage to our image. And if didn't care about image why would you want a fake AR? Only the image I'm talking about causes people to vote for gun grabbers. Sure that isn't fair but it's true. I'd rather win the war than stand up for a principle that won't help win the war one bit.

If you want a real AR then great. There are real reasons for owning those. But a toy version of an AR? I gotta tell you people think you're a little off for wanting those. It's like you're a mass killer in training in their eyes. It isn't fair or right but it's true.
And by calling it a "human killer", calling any black rifle that, is just perpetuating liberal, anti-gun myths.
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Boy it's impossible to get a point across without people distorting what you say. I said the AR .22's "look like" human killers, which like it or not is what an AR was designed to do. Sure they can be used to hunt or target shoot but you don't need 30 rounds to kill a deer guys. At least I don't.

The military uses AR's because they are very effective at killing humans. That's my point. They are designed for that purpose just as a Thompson is. I don't see anything that makes me think otherwise. The fact no one listed an actual reason for an AR .22 proves that point. They mimic guns designed to kill people. There's no denying that.

And gladesbassin, you aren't jumping all over me but you're calling me close minded and other things that most people would see as insulting. Read your post again then tell me why saying that isn't jumping on me. I said what I said because it's true pal. You did just what libs do. You attacked me and didn't address the issue. Again, what does an AR do that other .22's can't do BETTER. It has nothing to do with the rifle being "modern". I have very similar rifles myself only I have the real deal, not a toy version. There's no good reason for a .22 looking like that except personal preference. That's a legitimate reason of course but it's also legit to think people who own them might be mass killer wannabes. Again if you saw a group of Arabs with similar rifles what would you think? Address the issue of winning the hearts and minds of the gun grabbers please or don't expect a reply in the future.

Again there is nothing wrong with wanting a gun like that. Heck you can paint your gun pink with purple polka dots if you like. But you create an image when you do these things and that image contributes to us losing our gun rights. And for what? To have a gun that "looks cool"? Not to me they don't. I think they hurt our image for no good reason. If you had a good reason it would be different. But they have no advantage over other .22's.

I've explained my position. I'm done. I've seen nothing to make me change my view that playing dress up with a .22 only makes things worse for all gun owners. IMO buying a .22 because it looks like a battle carbine is a fad that will die soon. But it could cause damage to the rights of gun owners of this country before it's over. I just don't ignore the image they create like some do. Sure you have the right to buy one. For now. I hope to continue to have the right to own firearms. I certainly don't support any ban on buying any .22 or any gun up to the level of a grenade launcher. But I'll believe until I die that dressing up a .22 to look like a battle carbine makes people wonder what's going on in your head. If you saw an Arab with a .22 that looked like an AK I'll bet you would wonder why he had it even if you knew it was a .22. Does he dream of owning the real thing but just can't afford it? And again, I can see lots of reasons for owning the real thing. I don't see many for owning a dressed up .22.

It's like looking at a Goth. You know it's just some kid inside all that stuff. But you wonder why they dressed up like a demon. Well maybe you don't but you can bet a lot of people think that. It's the same human but why do they want to look that way?

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Well, here's 911JB's idea of a .22lr battle rifle...its a Marlin 795 placed in a M-1 Garand stock with Tech-Sights
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911JB, Defcon & others like them are sticking Marlins into things that nobody ever dreamed of before...
I love the idea of going WILD with 'em...that's why I stuck my 795 in a Ramline model 70 stock...
heck, you're only limited by your imagination!!!

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Boy it's impossible to get a point across without people distorting what you say. I said the AR .22's "look like" human killers, which like it or not is what an AR was designed to do. Sure they can be used to hunt or target shoot but you don't need 30 rounds to kill a deer guys. At least I don't.

The military uses AR's because they are very effective at killing humans. That's my point. They are designed for that purpose just as a Thompson is. I don't see anything that makes me think otherwise. The fact no one listed an actual reason for an AR .22 proves that point. They mimic guns designed to kill people. There's no denying that.

And gladesbassin, you aren't jumping all over me but you're calling me close minded and other things that most people would see as insulting. Read your post again then tell me why saying that isn't jumping on me. I said what I said because it's true pal. You did just what libs do. You attacked me and didn't address the issue. Again, what does an AR do that other .22's can't do BETTER. It has nothing to do with the rifle being "modern". I have very similar rifles myself only I have the real deal, not a toy version. There's no good reason for a .22 looking like that except personal preference. That's a legitimate reason of course but it's also legit to think people who own them might be mass killer wannabes. Again if you saw a group of Arabs with similar rifles what would you think? Address the issue of winning the hearts and minds of the gun grabbers please or don't expect a reply in the future.

Again there is nothing wrong with wanting a gun like that. Heck you can paint your gun pink with purple polka dots if you like. But you create an image when you do these things and that image contributes to us losing our gun rights. And for what? To have a gun that "looks cool"? Not to me they don't. I think they hurt our image for no good reason. If you had a good reason it would be different. But they have no advantage over other .22's.

I've explained my position. I'm done. I've seen nothing to make me change my view that playing dress up with a .22 only makes things worse for all gun owners. IMO buying a .22 because it looks like a battle carbine is a fad that will die soon. But it could cause damage to the rights of gun owners of this country before it's over. I just don't ignore the image they create like some do. Sure you have the right to buy one. For now. I hope to continue to have the right to own firearms. I certainly don't support any ban on buying any .22 or any gun up to the level of a grenade launcher. But I'll believe until I die that dressing up a .22 to look like a battle carbine makes people wonder what's going on in your head. If you saw an Arab with a .22 that looked like an AK I'll bet you would wonder why he had it even if you knew it was a .22. Does he dream of owning the real thing but just can't afford it? And again, I can see lots of reasons for owning the real thing. I don't see many for owning a dressed up .22.

It's like looking at a Goth. You know it's just some kid inside all that stuff. But you wonder why they dressed up like a demon. Well maybe you don't but you can bet a lot of people think that. It's the same human but why do they want to look that way?
Jeff let me ask you this question, what is the difference in someone owning a 22 rimfire that looks like an AR or someone owning an AR?

from what i have read of your posts on this matter, you have simply substituted the word "human killer" for "assault rifle". hmmmm......

how does someone owning a rimfire AR lookalike rifle, different from someown who owns a centerfire AR? and by your reasoning, we really shouldn't have a centfire AR, because people might think we are nothing more than killers at heart? so what is the difference between the two, if there is one to you, because at this point i am truly confused.

BTW, i will clarify my position for you, i don't own a rimfire 22 AR, but a Marlin M60, but i do have a Bushmaster M4A2 Carbine. please tread softly with your answers!
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Yes get one u will love the cheap fun

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Okay buddy, Anti gunners dont differentiate between a .22 or a 5.56..all guns are bad. They dont even like cap guns or water guns. So they think anyone who owns any type of rifle that's not considered a "hunting rifle" is a possible "human killer" so it doesn't make any sense trying to argue this...as long as we continue to aknowledge these people and their stupid reasoning behind not owning a certain type of firearm they will continue to have a case. A handgun chambered in .22 is pointless to me, although fun to shoot I would rather carry a 9mm but I'm not going to say someone is wrong for carrying it because it's what they are comfortable with. Our football players don't wear leather helmets anymore right? No they got newer technology because of the times we are in. I respect all firearms in all calibers whether it be a lever action or a semi automatic. Just cause it's an older style doesn't make it more accurate...the shooter makes the bullet go where he/she wants just like a Hammer only drives a nail as straight as the person using the tool. we all have a preference towards firearms and there is nothing wrong with people having what they want. To say something is pointless is just fueling the fire for the liberals. I'm not trying to change your mind just trying to have you see it from someone else's eyes. It's a fun range gun and can be accurate is all I'm saying, not to mention if someone breaks in your house and you have one they aren't going to look at it and say "oh it's just a .22".

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