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Old 09-06-2012, 03:43 PM   #21
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The XT-22TR does among others. They hold 25 shorts. But with the shorts that are coming out the power is very near the power of many LR cartridges.

You can see the rifles here at the bottom of the page. There are several models that have the tube and shoot shorts. You can find the ammo I'm talking about on this web page. There is another type of ammo that is similar but is called target ammo. The bullets in this ammo are lighter than regular LR ammo but the speed is right at supersonic speed with one being above it and one just below. The weight isn't that far off either. I've never seen shorts with this much velocity before. This ammo is pretty new and comes from CCI of course. CCI generally makes good ammo and this is no exception. It's a little expensive but all shorts are expensive these days. It isn't terribly high. It's about $8-$10 for 100 rounds. That's not far out of line with the other 100 round boxes CCI sells. The ammo works really well too or at least it did for me in my XT.

BTW Buds had the XT rifles when I was looking to buy. I ended up buying one in a LGS but I could have ordered it from Buds.
wow i never knew the XT-22 held 25 rounds tube fed. how much did you pay for yours? do you have any vids shooting these 25 rounds? id like to get one of these since im in CA, we're limited to 10 rounds with magazines. 25 round tube fed would be awesome and legal.

i can use my airsoft AICS stock for it.
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wow i never knew the XT-22 held 25 rounds tube fed. how much did you pay for yours? do you have any vids shooting these 25 rounds? id like to get one of these since im in CA, we're limited to 10 rounds with magazines. 25 round tube fed would be awesome and legal.

i can use my airsoft AICS stock for it.
That's .22Shorts

Its also the older rifles which held 18-rds of .22lr, 20 longs, and 25 shorts...pre-1994...or earlier
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I paid right at $200 for mine. A little less actually. But I've seen them for $175. They are well worth it. I like them better than the old 981'a shrek is talking about. Those didn't have the ProFire trigger of course. IMO the XT's are one of the best deals around for rifles.

I don't have any video of me shooting 25 rounds but I could shoot one I guess. But if you want proof just check out Marlin's web site. They make it very clear you can load 25 shorts in the tube. And the bolt on mine is as smooth as any rifle I've ever picked up. It never catches or binds even in the slightest. It can be worked very fast as a result. No need to drop the rifle down away from your eye to work the bolt. It's very easy to work so you can hold it right up to your eye with no problems at all.

I checked and Buds has them for $178 with free shipping as always. I don't know their policies on shipping to California but they are the biggest dealer on the net. They got that way by having good service and good prices. Of course you would have to pay a transfer fee on your end. But most likely you can find the rifle for a price close to Bud's price in a LGS. What I did was point out Buds price to a LGS and they matched it but with the taxes I was still under Buds price at the time because I didn't have to pay a transfer fee. But then I live in a gun crazy area. It's probably one of the biggest gun areas of the country. It has been since I can remember. A local kid just won a world championship in skeet recently. He shoots at the same club I belong to. Heck I grew up on a trap range essentially. My dad owned a trap machine (which was very expensive at the time) for about a year and a half and we had people from 3 states coming to our farm to shoot. Some of them lived hundreds of miles away. If you've ever seen the movie "Second Hand Lions" the trap machine we had was nearly identical to the one in the movie. That thing cost a fortune. Dad knew he could buy it and keep it a while then he would have to sell it. But it was sure fun while it lasted. I got to see some shotguns that cost $3000 back then (early 1960's) so I can only imagine what they would cost now. They left those expensive shotguns on the kitchen table and shot their cheaper guns. So I got to ogle their good stuff and I even got to touch them as long as I didn't touch the metal. Fingerprints can cause rust.

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My savage mkII drove tacks right out of the box. At 100 yards it is sub moa all day. Best groups so far have been 5 , 5 shot strings @ 100 yards, all 5 groups under 1/2 inch. Great rifle and the accu trigger is a nice addition.
whats sub MOA? also what scope were you using? and what zoom?
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im in CA so im not sure if the short ammo are common to find in a local gun store like Turners or Big 5?

man this is so cool. at first i thought the 10/22 mag fed was cool. then i got a bolt action XT-22 and think its better than a 10/22. now a bolt action tube feed that has 18-25 rounds. i think this might be the best rifle for me. a bolt action and rounds that carry more than 10. hehe stupid CA laws.

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so its the new 2011-2012 Marlin XT-22TR Tubular magazine that holds 25S?

it would be great if you can do a video shooting all 25 rounds in your 25 short. also loading the 25 rounds in the tube as well. i just never knew this thing existed.

i checked out buds. will see if my LGS carries them.

my FFL charges $55 for dealer transfer plus interstate tax 8.25% and $25 background fee

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California STINKS! I pay $20 for transfers and that's it. I don't know how CA is about having ammo shipped to you but you can buy it online if you can't find it locally. I don't know what those stores carry. Never heard of 'em. But I do know it's possible to buy the ammo online. You can buy them on this web page for $8 per 100 plus shipping. AFAIK they ship to CA. I looked on their shipping page and didn't see anything saying they didn't.
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whats sub MOA? also what scope were you using? and what zoom?
Sub MOA means Sub Minute Of Arc. It means the rifle will shoot less than 1” off the point of aim at 100 yards. It is a measurement of arc. A sub MOA rifle is more accurate than a MOA rifle, or a 2” MOA, or 3” MOA etc. This is assuming all other variable being equal, same ammunition, wind conditions, etc.

For lots more detail:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc
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Minute of arc explains the curve of the earth. A rifles trajectory is measured is minute of angle or MOA. : There are 360 degrees in a circle. Each degree can be broken down further into minutes. There are 60 minutes in a degree. Likewise, there are 60 seconds in a minute. Now, to figure out the distance subtended by 1 minute at any particular distance, we need merely to plug those two values into a simple trigonometric equation. The tangent function fits the bill nicely. Here's the equation: tan(angle) = distance subtended/distance to the target (units must be consistent--e.g., 1/36 of a yard [1"] divided by 100 yards)

Now, we know the angle (1 minute or 1/60 of a degree) and we know the distance to the target (100 yards), but we need to figure out the actual distance subtended at the target (i.e., is 1 MOA actually 1" @ 100 yards?). What we need to do is solve for "distance subtended." Here's our final equation: tan(angle)*distance to the target = distance subtended

Make sure your calculator is in "degree" mode (as opposed to "radian" or "gradian") and type in 1/60 (for degrees) and hit the "tangent" button. Then multiply that by 100 yards. This should give you the distance (in yards) subtended at 100 yards. Multiply this by 36 to get inches. The answer should be: 1.047197580733"

This is just a hair over the commonly quoted "one inch." At 1000 yards, this would be almost 10 1/2 inches.

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So far, most of my Marlins have been sub-MOA, the lone exception being a 2006 Marlin 60,
which got traded off for a 989-M2, which got them all back into precision again.

The hook with Marlins, is that the 12-lands & grooves are smaller in depth, (Micro-groove)
so one needs to use nice fat bullets to get proper "grab" into those lands & grooves...
if one uses skinny rounds, they end up with less than optimal results...
It truly is a case where being somewhat OCD as far as Micrometer'ing one's ammo
the benefit of which shows rather well on the range

It is quite amazing what one can find out when taking a Micrometer to entire packs of ammo,
how much variation is in certain brands...those 525 packs of Golden Bullets are surely factory seconds...
where in others, precision is valued...and little variation is noted.

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