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Old 01-03-2011, 04:00 PM   #1
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I'm fairly new to long guns so be gentle. I bought an S&W 15-22 and I am looking for a decent scope and mounts that would work around 100 yards. I know nothing about either. I also own the S&W in a 223 so it would be nice to be able to switch it between guns.

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Old 01-03-2011, 06:02 PM   #2
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Len,

A lot of the consideration would be on what you want it for. And the fact that you are going to use it on both rifles. You realize that you would have to do a slight amount of re-zeroing after the change of weapons. If you are going to just target shoot or varmint hunt with your 223 S&W an EOTech Model 552 would be a good choice. However make sure that the Picatinny Rail on both weapons is the same dimension. I am sure you have a Flat Top Reciever on your 223? If so the EOTech would just fit on top of it. In addition they are lightning fast as far as targer acquisition and only have a 1 MOA Dot. Which does not cover up the entire targer at 100 yards. If you go to their website L-3 EOTech I believe you can get an interactive game on there that shows exactly how they work. That you can actually engage the target like an arcade game.
Main thing be sure the Sight or Optic you choose will fit the 22 as well as the 223's Rail!

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Thanks Sniper ... I will just be using it to target shoot at he local gun club.

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For target shooting, a scope would be far better than a red dot.

Get a rail for both rifles then put a set of quick dissconnect rings on the scope.
You may have to slightly adjust your zero when switching between rifles, but the amount will be very small.

When looking for a scope for target shooting, try to find one with the thinnest retical wire that you can. It makes it much easier if the wire is not covering up a small aiming point on the target.

Check out the Mueller 8 X 32 X 50 AO scope.
The high magnification is a big help on the targets, it has a side focus for parellex adjustment and has a very fine wire retical with a very small dot in the center.
The scopes are very reasonable in price, very sharp, even at max magnification and have a lifetime warrenty.
I have used a friends and love it.
Your scores will improve due to the high magnification and thin wire retical.
The Mueller scopes are one of the best values on the market.
They just went up in price a little, but are great values.

The Red Dots are more for tac use. If tac use id your primary goal, the EO TEC is a great red dot.

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For target shooting, a scope would be far better than a red dot.

Get a rail for both rifles then put a set of quick dissconnect rings on the scope.
You may have to slightly adjust your zero when switching between rifles, but the amount will be very small.

When looking for a scope for target shooting, try to find one with the thinnest retical wire that you can. It makes it much easier if the wire is not covering up a small aiming point on the target.

Check out the Mueller 8 X 32 X 50 AO scope.
The high magnification is a big help on the targets, it has a side focus for parellex adjustment and has a very fine wire retical with a very small dot in the center.
The scopes are very reasonable in price, very sharp, even at max magnification and have a lifetime warrenty.
I have used a friends and love it.
Your scores will improve due to the high magnification and thin wire retical.
The Mueller scopes are one of the best values on the market.
They just went up in price a little, but are great values.

The Red Dots are more for tac use. If tac use id your primary goal, the EO TEC is a great red dot.

John K
John ... great info ... thank you very much. Let me show my ignorance now by asking what is meant by "adjusting the zero" ... I said I was a rookie ...
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Save yourself alot of trouble and just pick up a scope for each when you can afford it. Spend the money up front and save the hastles. There are scope mounts out there to allow removal and re-install on different rifles. But with the different velocities and weights of the two different rounds you will have to re-zero / sight in the scope each time you swap it from each rifle. With the amount of $$ you will save on ammo from having to re-site each time you swap you could afford a scope within a few swaps.
I just ordered me a S&W M&P 15-22 today.

Take a look at Opticplanet.com for a scope good prices and free shipping.

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You bought a tactical style rifle, not a target rifle so it looks like you want to have fun. Check out the Konus Shotgun scopes on SWFA. Fast aquisition reticle and fine xhairs in a heavy diamond. 2.5x is $45+SH and 1.5-5X is $70+SH. 75 yard Parallax. I have the 2.5x on my Ruger 10/22s.
If you want more power, they have the BSA Sweet 22 on sale cheap. The BDC actually works. The Konus is more fun. Especially standing on animal targets.

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Inexpensive, yet very nice, are the CenterPoint scopes at Walmarts...$59-$79

I've got the 3-9x30 on a Marlin 60 (.22lr) & the 4-16x40 on a Marlin 25MN (.22WMR).

Tree rats up to 100 yards with the 60...lunch.
Coyotes at 150 yards with the 25MN...crow bait.

You really don't need an expensive scope for under 200 yards.

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If you are really interested in shooting the best scores with your rifle shooting at targets, you will need something like the Mueller I suggested. A Weaver Target scope is even better, but costs about $400.00.

A cheap scope is just a cheap scope.
You can shoot decent groups with them, but you will never get the best that the rifle has to offer with any of the scopes mentioned.
The Mueller is the least expensive of the target scopes that will get the job done.

For target shooting, you really should have bought a different rifle, something like a Savage TR, but the rifle you have will shoot.

I know the guys are trying to save you some money by suggesting the lower priced scopes, and being new to starget shooting, you may not want to make the investment in a good scope right now, it's just that your scores will never be as good without a good scope on top of your rifle.

If you are tring to save money and deciding if target shooting is something you really want to get into, then a cheaper scope maybe a better option.
But if you have decided that you really want to become a good target shooter, buy the better scope and then upgrade your rifle later.

You need a scope at 100 yards that is sharp enough to see a very small X on the target, one that the cross hairs are not so wide that it covers the aiming dot, which all of the cheap scopes will do. They will not be sharp enough for precision shooting either.

I don't want to push you into more than you are ready for, so you must decide if you are serious about target shooting or just want to have fun.

If you get serious, you will need a better rifle at some point if you are going to be compeditive.

I'll leave it to you, as you are the only one who really knows how far you want to go with your shooting and how serious you are about it.

If you just want to have fun, get the Mueller APV, it's a 4 X 14 X 50 AO scope for about $130.00
It's by far the best of the lower priced scopes and way better than any of the others suggested.
If you just want to have fun and save money, Natchez Shooters Supply has the Sweet 22 scope for a very good price. For less than double the price of the sweet 22, you can get the mueller APV, a scope that's miles better. Go to Optics Planet to find a good deal on one.

I don't mean to sound like a know it all, I don't, but I spent a good many years as a Gunsmith and am retired now. I do know what works and what does not.

As for point of aim, when you take a scope off of one rifle and the scope has the quick disconnect rings and you put it on another rifle, the point of aim may change by about an inch or so, and you will have to adjust or re Zero as it's called to have the scope be right on target. Once you get used to it, it takes very little ammo to get back to zero. At some point, you will want to buy two scopes as suggested.

I've given you a lot to think about. Do really figure out what your goal is.
If you just want to have fun and shoot some decent groups, get the Mueller APV scope. if you intend getting serious, buy a better scope. The Weaver would be my choice if I was going to get serious, but I don't know your goal, which is why I'm asking you to really think about it.
For a low priced scope, the APV is a darn good one. You would have to spend over $200. to find a better sciope for the money. There is a great deal of difference between scopes such as the sweat 22 and the APV.
Cheap scopes ar just that, cheap scopes. You won't be happy with one. A cheap scopes shortcomings become evident very quickly, that's why I have suggested the APV, it's a great scope for the money. No matter wich scope you buy, get an AO scope, it lets you adjust the parellex for the distance you are shooting. If you get a scope with a fixed parellex of 75 yards and are shooting at 100 yards, your groups will suffer. Look up parellex to find out what it is. It's very important when target shooting.

At 50 yards, using an accurized Savage BRJ with the APV scope, the best 5 shot group I ever got was .17". Switching to the higher power Mueller scope, I can now shoot just under.1" on a good shooting day. I shot a target rifle with the weaver scope and it's even sharper than the higher priced Mueller. It's the best choice for a little under $100. more than the expensive Mueller.
I tried shooting 100 yds with a cheap scope and you will not get very good accuracy, i didn't, you just could not see the target well enough. The Mueller APV is good enough for decent accuracy at 100 yds. The cheaper scopes are not.
When shooting targets at 100 yds, the aiming point is far smaller than shooting a rodent or other animal, that's why you need a better scope.

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