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jammersavage44 10-27-2013 11:14 AM

Possible War bringback .22 training rifle
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Ok, finally got time to take pics and post this! Won't give too much background, will just upload the pics and let ya'll have at it and tell me what it is:

Sniper03 10-27-2013 04:43 PM


Little doubt in my mind that the Model W625 is probably a German Military Training Rifle. There was a lot of history concerning the history and about the Nazi's take over of several weapon manufacturing facilities. Tell us more about it when you want to reveal the history. Thanks for showing us this fine weapon. If only it could talk! I love the nostalgic military weapons since they are an existing part of world history. :)


shadecorp 10-27-2013 05:42 PM

Very nice.
Would like to see it in my collection.

c3shooter 10-27-2013 07:44 PM

Simson Model 625. Yes, trainer. Pre WW2. Factory later renamed BSW (Berlin Suhler Waffenfabrik)

Steel_Talon 10-27-2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 1415276)
Simson Model 625. Yes, trainer. Pre WW2. Factory later renamed BSW (Berlin Suhler Waffenfabrik)

I have a Romanian 22lr. trainer that resembles this rifle very closely except for the Harold marks etc. Very good shooter it is....

nitestalker 10-27-2013 08:08 PM

Why would a Pre-WWII German training rifle have the caliber .22 Long rifle in English? It should read 5.4 Lang?? During the 1950-1960 period tons of these were sold by Hy Hunter marked .22 Long Rifle. The gun bears no Nazi proofs?? It was never issued to the Nazi military.:confused:

jammersavage44 10-29-2013 01:04 PM

When I met the gentleman to trade for this rifle he told me that his grandfather was in WWII and picked this and another item up and got them back home. There is no import marks on the rifle at all. The other item was Nazi dress sword just like this one:

He showed me a portion of the sword that his grandfather showed him that had some discoloration (turned green). His grandfather told him that was corrosion from the blood that was on the sword. Judging from the patterns of the corrosion it was pretty easy to see how this could have been laying in blood before being picked up. If the rifle was alone then I might've had some doubts as to its authenticity but the two paired together suggested that his story was true.

it's true there are no Nazi markings on the rifle like there are on my Walther P38 and K98 and I inquired other places as to why this is. I was told by others who know much more about this than I do that these types of rifles were for training Hitler Youth and rarely had Nazi symbols struck into them. Unfortunately there's very little information out there regarding this rifle but I'm still looking.

nitestalker 10-29-2013 02:28 PM

The only way you ever know is a Liberation letter. When firearms were liberated and approved for a GI to bring home. I have personally never seen a "Ceremonial" Nazi sword that was used in combat.
Nazi youth items such as knives and firearms were marked with the party ID. The English markings on the rifle and lack of Nazi proof says pre-1968 import. :)

jammersavage44 10-30-2013 02:39 AM

Will contact the gentleman I got it from and see if he has a letter for it :) Curious now!

marc29th 10-30-2013 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by jammersavage44 (Post 1417434)
Will contact the gentleman I got it from and see if he has a letter for it :) Curious now!

Sounds like the guys grandfather probably embellished the story of the rifle. It looks like it is post-war production.

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