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Old 03-22-2009, 01:34 PM   #21
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don't see no stock 10/22 turning in accuracy like that do you? NO.

But we will let the Ruger fanboys think they are all that and a box of 711B too.
I hate to part a fool and his money, however in this case I would make an exception!

I personally own a 1967 vintage production run 10/22 that will shoot with the best of them as long as I do my part. If it doesn't shoot one ragged hole groups, it's my fault not the RUGER'S!
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:53 PM   #22
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T- That ammo was Dynamit-Nobel R-50 Match ammo. That rifle really likes the R-50, and the Lapua Match. HOWEVER- the price of that match ammo.... well, shortest verse in Bible is "Jesus wept." a 50 round box is about $18.00.

The Stinger is a hyper-velocity round. The MOST accurate is rarely the fastest. Some of the best match ammo is actually subsonic- has to do with bullet breaking sound barrier, and then dropping back below sound barrier, causing a "wobble" to bullet (or so I am told)

I have tried several of the Match grade rounds, including Tenex, Green Tag, Fiocchi, Wolf, etc etc. The ammo I mentioned to you, Federal Champion Target Standard Velocity is not sold as match ammo, but it is pretty close. Dick's usually carries that for about $20/500 rounds.

Old saying- Extreme Accuracy is Extremely Expensive. How accurate do you wanna be? To get REALLY tight accuracy, you will need a different rifle. Your 151 is a light sporter. Trust me- you would not want to carry a benchrest rifle for a day's hunting!

BTW, while I enjoy shooting, some of the folks I shoot with do 5 shot groups that look like one hole. One SMALL hole. One EXPENSIVE, time consuming small hole. However, they ARE high on my "Never PO this guy" list.
Very well put.

I can completely agree with the line about expenses in ammunition- The Federal's shoot 10 times better than those stupid little Thundercraps Remington makes. I can't believe those are still on the market. I couldn't even load the poor Mossberg with 10 of them, because in those 10 cartridges, there'd be ONE dud or misfire or misfeed. Always. I bought three 50-rd boxes of the Federals, and love them so much I'm down to my last box. And I'm shooting today, so I'll probably have to pick up ammo by the end of the week. I paid $2.30 a piece at Gander Mountain, thought it was ridiculous but what the heck. I couldn't imagine paying $18 for 50 rounds. Might as well break out the .25-35 Lever for that price, sheesh. (But I can't do that, the gun's from 1910 and I think I would cry if I even put a round in the chamber, it's just too precious.)

I can, however, state a complete and total dislike of the trajectory. It seems like it's impossible to hit anything unless you know EXACTLY how far away it is. I can shoot at something 25 yards away and be crazy high if I'm sighted for 50. I've been trying to hit the danged starlings at various ranges. Unfortunately I was stupid enough to zero the scope at 50 for the target practicing, and not shoot it at closer ranges. Grr... if I'm using the gun from 50-150 feet, is there a magic number that I can zero my scope to to get the flattest trajectory, or do I just have to average it out and zero it there? The trajectory of my Red Ryder is almost as bad as this thing is. Looks kind of like a half circle if you were to plot it on paper.

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This chart I generated from JBM ballistic calculator for use with standard velocity Wolf MT. Sight in dead on at 20yd with scope and hold dead on squirrels/starlings out to @60yds. It works well for me!
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Trajectory (Simplified)
Input Data
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.140 G1 Caliber: 0.223 in
Bullet Weight: 40.0 gr

Muzzle Velocity: 1060.0 ft/s

Sight Height: 1.50 in Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg
Cant Angle: 0.0 deg

Temperature: 65.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 1500.0 ft

Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Output Data
Elevation: 10.148 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA

Atmospheric Density: 0.07159 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1122.9 ft/s

Maximum PBR: 133 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 112 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 61 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 71.4 ft•lbs

Sectional Density: 0.115 lb/in²
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Range Drop --Drop
(yd)-- (in) ---(MOA)
0 ____ -1.5 ____***
10 ___ -0.6 ____-5.7
20 ____ 0.0 ____0.0
30 ____ 0.3 ____0.8
40 ____ 0.2 ____0.5
50 ___ -0.2 ____-0.4
60 ___ -1.0 ____-1.6
70 ___ -2.1 ____-2.9
80 ___ -3.6 ____-4.3
90 ___ -5.5 ____-5.9
100 __ -7.8 ____-7.5
110 __ -10.5 ____-9.1
120 __ -13.6 ____-10.8
130 __ -17.1 ____-12.6
140 __ -21.1 ____-14.4
150 __ -25.5 ____-16.2
160 __ -30.3 ____-18.1
170 __ -35.6 ____ -20.0
180 __ -41.4 ____-21.9
190 __ -47.6 ____-23.9
200 __ -54.3 ____-25.9

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Awesome! Thanks for that. It's bookmarked, haha. I'm going to have to use that calculator later on.

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Glad you found it helpful. This is the Ballistic calculator link if your interested
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Got it from a post on Rimfire Central.
Ive used this setup to shoot Wolf MatchTarget from my 10/22 and found it to be very close to actual bullet strikes out to 200. Thats with clicking up the MOA on my target scope. The holdovers that far are too hard for me to consistently judge!

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I have been looking for a 151K and have not been able to find one. Does anyone know where I can purchase one?

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Well, the Mossberg 151K was made in 1950-1951, and so is a bit scarce. However, they DO come up on auctionarms.com, and on gunbroker.com. you can also contact Vic or Chryl Havin at Havlin Sales & Service - Mossberg Gun Parts. They sell a lot of parts for older Mossbergs, AND run the Mossberg Collectors Assoc. AND- they are really nice folks to deal with. PS. Yes, I have a 151K. No.

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Just an update for those interested, thought someone might get a kick out of this.

She responds very well to the Federal Champion. When I go shooting, I burn through the 50 round boxes like a fat guy in a candy store, though. Gonna have to go for the bulk deals . Anyway, on to the update. It's been shooting sub-1" groups with little effort, and today it payed off. Yesterday I plucked a Starling off its roost from 50 or so yards, and today I coulda sworn I saw something moving near the wood pile.

20 minutes later, this big guy sticks his head out from the top of the wood pile, and boy was he surprised. I got him in the back of the head, he rolled about three feet, and then stood up! Well, I couldn't have any of that, so I decided to make full use of that semi-auto business. I put about 5 rounds into its chest in no more than a second or two, and all five hit their mark. Excessive, but the dang things are like those African demon-lions; just won't go down. Wasn't letting this one get away for anything.

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So which is it, bronze cleaning brush or patch and solvent?

And a big THANKS to all contributors. I'll pull her out today and see exactly how dirty it is. The gun is actually in great shape, I examined the stock for any signs of cracking before I put it away, I can't recall any. I do love the feel of the gun. We'll see what kind of groups she'll throw with those Federals and a good cleaning. Thanks again!

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Depends on the ammo that's been used - if you used plated bullets use a brush and copper solvent followed by dry patches and a good oil. If the gun has NEVER been cleaned you MUST use a brush. Brushes don't hurt anything - what will hurt is dinging up the muzzle whith your cleaning rod - get a .22 muzzle guard to prevent this. After a good cleaning I will guarantee you groups half the size of what you mentioned. I have my first gun still, a Mossberg 352K and it shoots 1" groups at 50 yds. all day. It has ALWAYS been cleaned with a brush for 35 years.
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