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Old 10-01-2013, 08:03 AM   #1
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Default Help me identify this rifle, please.

A friend of mine brought this to me to help identify it and to know what kind of ammo it needed. I figured eventually the ammo, which is 22lr rimfire. But when trying to identify the exact model, I failed bitterly. The only writings on it are:
St etienne / 5.5 / AR (with a crown like drawing above those two letters) / 2979

What I want to know is:
- Value.
- Accuracy.
- Best ammo for it. (hunting small game and maybe deer too)

I have absolutely zero knowledge when it comes to firearms, so sorry if it's a stupid question:
Does 22lr have centerfire ammo too? If there is, which have a longer effective range?

Thanks in advance.

22lr-1.jpg   22lr-2.jpg   22lr-3.jpg   22lr-4.jpg   22lr-5.jpg  

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Old 10-01-2013, 08:52 AM   #2
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacture_d'armes_de_Saint-%C3%89tienne
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A friend of mine brought this to me to help identify it and to know what kind of ammo it needed. I figured eventually the ammo, which is 22lr rimfire. But when trying to identify the exact model, I failed bitterly. The only writings on it are: St etienne / 5.5 / AR (with a crown like drawing above those two letters) / 2979 What I want to know is: - Value. - Accuracy. - Best ammo for it. (hunting small game and maybe deer too) I have absolutely zero knowledge when it comes to firearms, so sorry if it's a stupid question: Does 22lr have centerfire ammo too? If there is, which have a longer effective range? Thanks in advance.

I'm letting you know this now, do not attempt to hunt anything bigger then a squirrel or gopher with a .22LR. That's about all the average person can do. It's also considered illegal is many places to use any rimfire on larger game. As for having centre fire ammunition, that's a no. When you hear the term "centre fire .22" it's referring to a larger case capacity/caliber.


Quick question that's going to bug me if I don't ask, is that a suppressor on the end of the barrel? And also, if you know very little about firearms, how come your friend brought his rifle over for you to identify?
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I checked that page and the only thing that made sense concerning my research was: Carabine semi automatique de 5,5mm, 1946 (.22 LR)
As you can see there is no defined model just a mere description. And when I googled it I didn't find the rifle in the images. Maybe its picture is simply not available in the internet. It's kinda odd though. Thanks for the link.

I wouldn't worry about laws. Owning any weapon is illegal where I live. But if the reason for not hunting big game with rimfire is because it causes too much pain or doesn't kill right away, then I wouldn't do it. If there is a better reason I'd like to know. As I said I don't know anything about firearms.

My friend asked me to google it up, and simply compare pictures. I'm good with internet, and my English is not too bad. That's the main reason he asked me to help him.

And yes, that is a suppressor.

Thanks for your response.
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.22 lr ammo doesn't give reliable penetration or deliver enough energy and tissue damage to RELIABLY put large game down in a humane or quick manner. Hunting deer sized game, it could result in a lot of lost game that die slowly, and result in no meat for your effort.

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The 22LR is strictly rimfire. There are other calibers in the 22 category. In fact the 5.56 is basicaly a 22 cal bullet. The "5.5" may me a metric equivalent of 22LR. The French always use metric units (their invention) If you look at the bolt face, the firing pin position will tell you. The rifle looks like a trainer, which is usually rimfire. Probably a MAS (where S is for saint etienne) I am sure there are collectors out there who will give you a positive id.

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As said- you have a semi automatic caliber .22 Long Rifle. Made in France at St. Etienne arsenal. I see you are in Algeria- here in the US, silencers are regulated like machine guns.

At 50 meters the rifle you have should be very accurate- which is about the upper limit on accuracy for .22 Rimfire cartridges. Should be a very good target rifle, or for small game (nothing larger than a rabbit. The cartridge simply does not have the energy to humanely and quickly kill a large animal such as a deer.

Value of those runs in the $300-$350 range in US dollars- here in the US, more with the silencer. However, prices in other places are all over the place, cannot advise you.

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Default Thanks everyone

Thanks everyone. You guys have been very helpful. I like this forum already.

The reason for not hunting a big game with a 22lr convinced me. I won't do it.

Like you said, prices are quite different here. This rifle was in a two rifles deal. This and a steyr mannlicher model m with a cost that is roughly the equivalent of 19800$.

Unfortunately, I won't be the one buying them, but he's a friend of mine, and once he secures the ammo, I may get to shoot them.

Again, thanks everyone.

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Glad you could get answers, also hope you stick around for a while.

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