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Old 04-25-2012, 09:28 PM   #41
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My father had a 22 High Std revolver, 9-shot and kept it loaded in his mattress for home defense. Years later, I took the gun to the range to see if it was reliable. Only half the rounds went bang.

I replaced it w a SW Chiefs Special w Winchester Silvertips 110 gr. HP.

I'm still a big fan of the 22 but it w not be my first choice for HD. If its all you have, then I would rotate my ammo to keep it fresh.

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How do u guys feel about a 30-30 lever gun as an all purpose firearm?

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To tell the truth I doubt that even 5% of the people involved in this forum will ever have the occasion rise that we will ever be in this life or death situation. I certainly hope none of us are. But if you are the closest gun to you is the best. Try being a deputy jailer and finding a shank in a cell knowing the your only weapon is pepper spray, your pistol is in a lock box in the intake area

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Shade...I've never used the lever evolutions but couldn't think of other fast expanding loads in a 30-30. One would think they would do better than that. Overpenetration would be a concern in a hd scenario.Are the other loads you listed factory or reloads?

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I shot an opossum right between the eyes with a .22 round nose bullet from about 10 yards away.It then began to run one way,then changed it's mind and ran off the other way like nothing had happened,then it looked at me and it had a red dot right between the eyes where I had shot it...and it ran more before I had to chase it and shoot it 3 more times.....nuff said...dont use a .22-but while we are on this topic,I believe even a 9mm,.40,.45 on a human is the similar story.You shoot a dude in the chest with a 9 and he will die,but only after he finishes you off.You want to drop a man like in the movies you need a 30-30,12 gauge or at least a 44 magnum,keep that in mind and don't be surprized if you shoot a man with a 9mm etc and he yells"you effing shot me you blankitty blank" before he stumbles off and gets help or dies.

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I don't think this was meant as a serious thread.

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To tell the truth I doubt that even 5% of the people involved in this forum will ever have the occasion rise that we will ever be in this life or death situation. I certainly hope none of us are. But if you are the closest gun to you is the best.
+1, but I work of the premise prep for the worst and pray for the best.

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Try being a deputy jailer and finding a shank in a cell knowing the your only weapon is pepper spray, your pistol is in a lock box in the intake area
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Shade...I've never used the lever evolutions but couldn't think of other fast expanding loads in a 30-30. One would think they would do better than that. Overpenetration would be a concern in a hd scenario.Are the other loads you listed factory or reloads?
About 2.5 years ago I purchased a used Marlin 335C for my eldest son, he
was 10 at the time, to hunt with. It was also chambered for .35 Remington.
Since I reload, after a little experimentation; I ended up using Speer
Deepcurl .358 hunting hand gun bullets and IMR SR 4759 for reduced recoil
load he could shoot comfortable. IIRC the bullet are 148 grains, I can look up
the powder charge if you are interested. His first kill was a button buck at 20
feet, yes I said feet, I would say the buck was 130-150 pounds on the
hoof. We were thinking it was a nice doe until we started to dress it out,
surprise. The bullet hit just infront of the left front leg and passed diagonally
through the chest cavity from front to rear and left to right the bullet
disintegrated but did not leave an exit wound. On skining the animal we
found 2 fragments of the copper jacket outside the rib case on the far side
but just under the hide.

My conclusions is that the bullet velocity was too high ~1500-1700 fps
v. ~1000 for a typical handgun, that resulted in the bullet coming apart.
But I do not have handgun data to compare. Over-penetration was not an
issue. 30-30 and .35 Remington are relatively low velocity round for a rifle.
Over penetration on a human target would not be a concern for me.
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If I was going to use a 30-30 and didn't want my bullet to overpenetrate,I would use some of the 125gr hollowpoint 30-30 ammo I have seen.Anytime you lighten up a bullet and put it to velocities and energy that are too great for that particular projectile (2,000 ft lbs of enery on a 125 gr bullet will destroy the bullet most likley)and you add a greater surface area such as with a hollowpoint expanding upon impact,you reduce the penetration greatly!

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