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Old 04-12-2013, 05:21 PM   #11
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If you shop around, you may find an old Winchester lever action. while the one I am thinking of would be used, they eject up and not to the side, so are ambidextrous.

I have shot all of the models that you mentioned. all are fine weapons in their own right and have their differences when compared to each other.

as for a lefty version, most lefties I know buy from another lefty or special order the left handed version from the factory/suppliers. It's fairly normal where I grew up and also here in Texas

good luck on your hunt

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Old 04-16-2013, 10:10 PM   #12
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Thank you again guys! The lever action rifles are also an interesting option. I found a Henry 1897 (made in 1914) on sale (900+ eur). I'll pass it but with regrets. The most common lever actions here are mainly Marlin 39A, but am reading horror stories on forums about the recent production. Older models seem to be much better. Not a surprise. They were made in a time when people put pride in their work.

I've been at the gun show and it was really interesting. So as a way to thank you I'll post some pictures.
Was able to handle the 'soon to come out' Arx 160 .22 by Beretta... uhmm no, by Umarex actually.


(sorry for low quality, all the testable Beretta stuff was crammed together and was not easy to have room for a nice shot)
It is much lighter then it would seem by its bulky shape, feels just right in your hand, easy to point and keep in position. The controls are exactly where they should be, even for a lefty. Also the trigger seemed (to my inexperienced fingers) not bad at all.
But the overall feel is of a cheap airsoft toy. The extendable stock wobbled quite a bit, not a big deal as its fixable, but even the barrel would wobble a little Still may be the piece on display, it certainly went through a lot of abuse.
I really like the design of this rifle and the folding stock make it really easy to store but it feels they did cut quite a few corners to come out at a low price (here will be out at under 600 eur, below the S&W M&P 15-22 MSP). I wouldn't mind paying more for a more reliable, solid weapon.

In comparison the HK 416 looked like a real gun:

(expected MSP 1100 EUR )

Also there were the S&W M&P 15-22 (handling not allowed) and the Chiappa M4-22

Awkward name aside seems a decent enough version of the AR. Still, most probably I would pick the S&W between the two. Too bad they are importing just the first version, the one without muzzle break. I know there are third party barrel rings to solve that.

Also on display there was this Norinco M4 .223 (at a price lower than 1000 EUR is really cheap for an AR for us)

First time i held an M4, feels good
Was fitted with this very nice grip by FAB defense

Of all the grips i ever tried is the one I felt better in my hand
Quite surprisingly upper and lower receiver would show an hairthin distance between them... is this normal???

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This is the interesting design of the 597 TVP

It is lighter than I expected and the stock helps keeping it aimed when shooting offhand. The heavy barrel bring the center of mass about one inch in front of the magazine well, close to where the shooter's weak hand rests.
Overall I like how it balances when holding it in the offhand pose.

Close to it was the Marlin 60. Had no chance to hold it though.
One question about it: in case of a problem on the range is common procedure to take the magazine out and open the action of your weapon, showing it to be unloaded. How do you do it with a tubular magazine? Is it enough to release the tube cap so that without spring tension the next round wont be possible to load?

The show was in Brescia, which has been for centuries an important small arms production center (Beretta isn't far). This is one model of that tradition

Circa 1700 - note the flint stones to ignite the powder

I wonder if you guys over the pond have falconry. Here there are still groups that promote and rekindle that ancient tradition.

me thinks they are doing the promotion well... :P

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If I can get the redhead with the Falcon, I might take it up

I'll second that Old Winchester idea as well, top-eject will help a bit

The other option is a Calico 9mm carbine or pistol, which have Bottom Eject,
but are illegal in NY and a few other states due to Magazine Capacity

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If I can get the redhead with the Falcon, I might take it up

I'll second that Old Winchester idea as well, top-eject will help a bit

The other option is a Calico 9mm carbine or pistol, which have Bottom Eject,
but are illegal in NY and a few other states due to Magazine Capacity
Hi, I don't think the Calico were ever imported. We have a small market and the documents for import are expensive and take a long time to do. So distributing Companies try to stick with the more traditional products i guess.

The 'falcon girl' (actually she was with an eagle in that picture) was kind and seemed to know a bit of what she was talking about.

Oddly enough even the Ruger 10/22 (which am sure it is imported) was impossible to find, no add on parts either
Also lever guns are relatively scarce. The 39A i found was above 500€, still not sure about those jamming reports.

In the end I went to my LGS and got 'an offer I could not refuse'.
The choice was between a new Marlin 60 at 350€ and a (slightly used) Remington 597 at 220€ with an extra magazine.
Yep, gun prices here are much higher!

I picked up the remmy mainly due to the (bargain) cost. It seems to be a new model, at least the magazines have the '10' mark and are metal made. Hopefully it won't have the reliability problems of earlier versions. Even with an aftermarket hammer and extractor I would still spend less than I expected.

If prices had been closer I would have got the Marlin but the 597 seems an ok shooter too. Certainly more accurate than I can be

Thank you all!
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I'm glad you found something you like. Post up some pictures when you get to perforate some targets.

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Congrats winer! Give us a range report when you have time to take your new toy to the range

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Hi!
Took my sweet time but am back from the range!

Here is the 597. Well, you guys have seen tons of them

It came with 2 magazines. Horray. It's good because it's simply impossible to find any other magazine. Why so few around? Are they made by dwarves on Christmas night only?

As ammo I used these:




No ammo shortage here... but before you get all jealous let me tell you is also due to our laws. We can't keep at home more than 200 rounds for handsguns (.22LR, 9mm, .45 etc) in TOTAL. Yes, .22 Long Rifle is considered a handgun round.. even if you don't have a handgun at all! Crazy lawmaking coots.
Centerfire rifle ammo limit is 1500 by the way... that is nice.

Back to the range report! First of all I must mention that of the more than 200 rounds I shot I had zero FTF or FTE. I am greatly pleased by this. All I did before going to the range was untightening the rod screws. They WERE tight!

The iron sights were off and I made no effort in sighting them in. I meant mostly to see how the gun would cycle with different ammo and how i would adapt to it. For this and other reasons (including lack of marksmanship skillz on my part... ) I have no reports on groups. The Eley did look more consistent, followed by CCI SV and Rem Thunderbolts.

The magazines are both metal and with the '10' mark. They worked fine although they were quite stiff in the beginning. Most of the time I loaded them with 5 rounds only anyway. Do you suggest to put some spent cases in them and work them to make the spring less stiff on the 9th and 10th round?

The Eley rounds clearly performed the best. They were the only ones that would consistently make the bolt hold open after the last round. All the other brands were rather random with about a 50% success. Excluding Federal which were probably the weakest and never managed to engage the hold open.

Oddly enough one Eley round was canted

the elders told me it was no problem but when i tried to chamber it it got stuck, didn't completely chamber and the bullet was dented. I just put it away.

Federals were probably the poorest of the group (at least for this 597). While a bit more expensive than the CCI they were so weak one was struck by the bolt (but managed to eject nevertheless)

Another case was bounced back in the chamber. Luckily it was the last round.

All considered am completely satisfied with the cycling of the gun.
On the negative side:
- the trigger is HEAVY. Am used to the <1 pound trigger of the bolt action i usually rent so found it difficult to keep the rifle steady during the pull. The breaking is crisp though. Anyway a Volquartsen hammer is on the way, along with an extractor although I cannot complain about the remmy extractor so far.

- had difficulties having a consistent cheekweld with the stock. No big deal. I have a Boyds stock here anyway, just have to make the spacers.

- the iron sights were ok but am used to either the 'circle' sights or the fiber optic dots as on my air rifle. Sights upgrade coming soon (another reason why i didn't bother sighting in the standard sights). Also ordered a weaver rail beacuse i just can't wait to put my TRS-25 red dot on it and see how it performs.

this AK is just an airsoft (Real Sword), but the Ultimak rail is genuine, just waiting to go on the real deal... the red dot works like a charm at plinking tin cans at 15 meters.

Well, that's all for now. I just would like to say I appreciate all your suggestions, and yes I would like to have some of them in the future (especially one lever action), but for now this seems a very decent first step.

Kind regards.
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Looks nice, also sorry to hear about your ammo laws but at least you can find .22 right now. Have fun shooting but do it safely.

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I'd say get a Marlin 60, but you can't have any of mine.

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