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Old 03-27-2011, 09:37 PM   #21
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I'm not saying that any centerfire will be damaged with the first dry-fire, and I'm not trying to come off as a know-it-all. But after 20 years as a tool maker, I know for a fact, that if you beat two pieces of metal together long enough, one of 'em will break, or sustain damage. It's not rocket science.... but it's definitely a personal preference. My preference is not to dry fire. Suit yerselves.

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Boy, I tell ya it's been YEARS since I disassembled a M-16, M-16A1. That countersink where that pin goes in was drummed into our heads in Basic. I was trained as a US Army armorer when I got to my permanent duty station. I had M-60's, M-79's, M-16A1's, and 1911's. I was also thrown in to a quick CBR-NCO program as there was a shortage of NCO's. Thanks for your posts, it reminded me of days gone by...
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Ruger 10/22's are ok to dry fire.
I doubt that, sure its possible but it will start to damage the firing pin and chamber edge after too much dry fire. I'm sure any rimfire can withstand the "oops" dry-fires but not dry-fire practice. I dont dry-fire my any of my 22s just cause that's what I've been taught. With how cheap the ammo is, I would think you'd get tired for shooting before you ran out of money or ammo.
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My wife has a Browing Buckmark Camper 22LR pistol. It came with an indentation where the firing pin makes contact with the breech face. At first I thought it was there by design as a relief so that the firing pin wouldn't actually make contact. I didn't know that it was damage from dry firing until I saw it on a forum dedicated to 22 semi-autos. They also reported that some firing pins expand at the tip after a few dry firings because of the impact with the breech face. But there are reports on the same thread that state the owners dry fire their Buckmarks all the time with no firing pin contact with the breech face. Go figure. It seems that each gun is different. I just know that my wifes gun does make contact. I checked it by using a thin piece of paper.

I also have a center fire semi-auto that states in the owners manual not to dry fire it. I don't pay that any attention. It has been dry fired many times with no ill consequences. Every gun is different. Every owner needs to know his guns well enough to know what he can & can't do with them.

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If you leave a hammer cocked and store it that way (unloaded) don't the springs suffer from that, and is that any worse or better than dry-firing before you store your guns? I am not talking about practicing, repeatedly and deliberately dry-firing, mind you. Just releasing all of the spring tension (or as much as one can) by dry-firing a given gun before storage.

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If you leave a hammer cocked and store it that way (unloaded) don't the springs suffer from that, and is that any worse or better than dry-firing before you store your guns? I am not talking about practicing, repeatedly and deliberately dry-firing, mind you. Just releasing all of the spring tension (or as much as one can) by dry-firing a given gun before storage.
Keeping a spring (in good condition... NOT physically damaged, or rusted ) compressed or extended, will NOT damage the spring. What damages springs is repeated cycling from compressed/extended to relaxed again. That's why "safe queens rarely need spring replacement, while shooters often need springs replaced.
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I use snap caps in all my firearms for dry fire.

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Some .22's have firing pin stops and some don't,but what's wrong with just using spent casings?The firing pin won't know any different than if you were just plain firing the gun normally.

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If using spent rounds for dry firing, how many times can I use a spent casing and still prevent any damage to my 22 rimfire? If it makes any difference the weapon is a Marlin Model 795 semi-auto.

I need to know as I'll be teaching my son general safety, range saftey, stance, breathing and trigger control. The last trigger control is where I need to have him dry fire the weapn more than once.

Also just for my own knowlodge, generally how many time can a rimfire 22 semi-auto be dryfired? Conservative number please.

For now he'll have no optics/scope to assist, just open sights with unsupported stance. I want him to control the firing basics first before jumpting to a scoped system.

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If using spent rounds for dry firing, how many times can I use a spent casing and still prevent any damage to my 22 rimfire? If it makes any difference the weapon is a Marlin Model 795 semi-auto.

I need to know as I'll be teaching my son general safety, range saftey, stance, breathing and trigger control. The last trigger control is where I need to have him dry fire the weapn more than once.

Also just for my own knowlodge, generally how many time can a rimfire 22 semi-auto be dryfired? Conservative number please.

For now he'll have no optics/scope to assist, just open sights with unsupported stance. I want him to control the firing basics first before jumpting to a scoped system.

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I would say that you can use a spent case as many times till you run out of spots the firing pin ddn't hit. Most 22 manuals I seen say no dry fire. The my Marlin 795, Buckmark, Ruger Single Six, Henry, and Beretta 92 say no dry fire. Since you have to send the firearm back to them for warranty repair they might know best otherwise they would not have written it in the manual. By the way I used to write service manuals we say not to do it for a reason.
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When I was starting to teach my sons the basics I did not work at all on breathing, stance or trigger control. Gun safety and range safety are of paramount importance and nothing else should cloud their minds when they are learning these foundations. Accuracy doesn't matter for $hit at their earliest introduction to guns, as a matter of fact people (not just kids) will tend to be quite accurate almost instinctively when they first fire a gun, they just point it like a finger and squeeze the trigger.

With my boys we often practice with a revolver (a .357 magnum is what I use) where I will load it with two light loads and four heavy loads or what have you, as long as you mix them up. (if you reload you can make some custom rounds for training, if not you can use .38's and .357's for the different recoil) and spin the cylinder before handing it to them. You can even put in a spent casing to get the same drill, but I prefer to use live rounds so that you can see the effects of the shooter's actions on the target. I suppose you could use a .22 rimfire with several different types of ammo (CB loads and high velocity for example) to run the same exercise, but the CB loads may not cycle the action on your Marlin.

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