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Nilet699 07-24-2013 02:29 PM

CZ 452/455 and which model
 
As an Englishman thats moved to greener pastures across the pond, i now have the benefit of owning firearms! The problem i have though is i come from a culture where there is none and therefore knowledge is limited to say the least!

So after about a billion hours reading etc, decided upon what i want....i just cant get away from CZ rifles. I'd almost decided upon the 455, but then started researching them and found quite a few 452 lovers out there who seemed disappointed with them compared to the 452.

So, what I'm looking for is a bolt action rifle thats good at around 100 yards mainly, maybe out to 150, that i can learn on and hone my skills. It will be for range shooting early on, but would like to move onto hunting rabbits etc later with it. To this end which model of either the 452/5 would be best suited? And also, is there any particular model that would be best suited to using both with and without a scope. I'm intent on learning properly with iron sights first and then moving onto a nice scope but I will always be drawn back to a good set of iron sights and the feel of shooting like that.

Many thanks in advance!

JonM 07-24-2013 02:39 PM

im a huge fan of the savage rimfire mkII series. mags are cheap easy to get just about everywhere and the gun is accurate and just plain works with a fantastic trigger.

this is the type i have http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFVSR

it functions with 22 long rifle, 22 long, 22 short, 22 cb with no issues. i like cz arms but the savage is a great rifle at half the price.

there are a literal metric ton of bolt action 22lr finding accessories and spare parts for a CZ here can be problematic especially when magazines are involved.

Nilet699 07-24-2013 02:53 PM

That is quite the attractive rifle, however, one question springs to mind......
Would that enable me to easily switch between scope and iron sights? I really do want a good rifle where this would be possible.
Price isn't the issue, just getting what I want, as I see this .22 as an investment in something I'll shoot forever. Why I'm willing to invest more early on to get a really good rifle.

Parts are something I hadn't considered.... the CZ's aftermarket isn't great then?

gr8oldguy 07-24-2013 02:53 PM

The CZ is a great gun, I've shot the 455 and it's right on the mark. When it came down to put my money on the counter, however, I went with a Henry lever action with an octagonal barrel. Less expensive, shoots 22 short, long and long rifle. good luck

JonM 07-24-2013 03:05 PM

ahh you didnt mention the iron sight thing heh.

your not going to easily switch one to the other with the Cz either. the scope rail will block the iron sights regardless of the scope's location

i honestly cant think of a bolt gun that will let you quick detach a scope and still use irons.

here is what i do with my 45-70. i know its not a 22 and a lever gun kinda ignore the acog i just slapped it ont he for photo taking but it illustrates an optic.

http://imageshack.us/a/img688/4385/img0667o.jpg

looking through the sights after qd'ing the optic

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/7218/img0668fc.jpg

reason im posting this is there might be a similar system for 22 lever guns or bolt guns i may not be aware of.

the sight system is an XS rail with ghost ring irons.

Funky 07-24-2013 03:06 PM

What is the problem with getting rim fire ammo most retailers in my area (Sioux Falls,SD) either are out or have restrictions on how many rounds can be purchased. I spoke to a Remington Factory Rep and he said it was a hoarding problem. What is everybody thinking? Is the bogey man coming?

JonM 07-24-2013 03:12 PM

oh one other thing.

the only rifle i know of that works REALLY well and offers easy qd optics and can have iron sights easy to swap back and forth is the smith and wesson M&P 15-22

its a semi auto in ar15 style format however. not a terribly pretty gun less you get one in pink tiger stripe like mine!!

http://imageshack.us/a/img831/971/img0317w.jpg

JonM 07-24-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky (Post 1313770)
What is the problem with getting rim fire ammo most retailers in my area (Sioux Falls,SD) either are out or have restrictions on how many rounds can be purchased. I spoke to a Remington Factory Rep and he said it was a hoarding problem. What is everybody thinking? Is the bogey man coming?

most companies are focusing on building centerfire and have limited production runs on 22LR atm. they make a ton more more on centerfire atm and are having issues filling orders. as they catch up they will ramp up the 22lr production.

Nilet699 07-24-2013 03:26 PM

Yes, the first 2 pictures, although not bolt and caliber, would describe exactly the idea i was looking for. No bolt action though you think like this? Grr! It is something i could live without i suppose, would just have been a really nice touch for what i want personally. I'd really rather keep the bolt action than switch to a lever, and i wont be getting a semi-auto until i invest in a LMT .308 (British thing) I just really want the bolt action, one for the sweet stroke of the action and also im not looking to ping off rounds with this, more take my time and enjoy it. And also hopefully become somewhat proficient!

haha, I've looked at a few M&P 15-22's on my research rounds, nothing quite like that though! Pink wouldnt exactly be my first choice, but heck, im comfortable with myself, i could rock that. haha.

CrunchyFrog 07-24-2013 03:29 PM

Check out the Rimfire Central website for tons of info on the CZ rifles. There are a few 452s in the pipeline but you might not find all the variants available. I don't have any first hand experience with the 455, but one advantage of the new rifle is the ability to shoot different caliber by changing the barrel. Academy Sports had a good price on a 455 American with two barrels.

The variant I see for sale most often is the American, which is nice but has no iron sights. I definitely wanted iron sights and passed on the American and bought a 452 FS in .22lr. Other models with irons are the youth stocked Scout, the Trainer, the Lux and the Ultra Lux.

I really enjoy my CZ rifle and It always draws admirers at the range.


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