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stalkingbear 03-04-2009 09:14 PM

Conversation with Ruger
 
I recieved an interesting phone call from an Ruger rep names Steve something (supposed to be some kind of big shot or something). He was responding to my bitching about Ruger going to plastic trigger housings on their 10/22s. He proceeded to inform me that it wasn't an cost saving move, but rather an weight saving/stronger part move. Also, he told me that the "long strand glass filled polymer" trigger housings are made to much tighter tolerances which result in better, out of box trigger pulls compared to the older aluminum 1s which have been produced since the 60s when Ruger brought the 10/22 out. He promised to send me 1 to wring out so when it gets here, and I have a chance to test it, I'll let yall know whether the plastic trigger housings are indeed an improvement or are simply an cost saving move as I suspect. At least they FINALLY listened to us and are furnishing installed extended magazine releases.

BILLYBOB44 03-05-2009 03:12 AM

Good job Bear
 
Kool Beans SBear. Let us know how that works out. I have 2 10-22's myself, and it draws my interest.

KingTiger 03-05-2009 12:26 PM

As long as you could buy third party trigger kits to improve them like the older triggers, is my concern.

stalkingbear 03-05-2009 12:37 PM

The newer plastic trigger housings retain the exact same dimensions and parts compatibility as the older aluminum 1s to the best of my knowledge. I'll know for sure when it gets here but it would be pretty stupid on Ruger's part to change it now on the 10/22.

montveil 03-05-2009 02:58 PM

Just as an observation, I own a nylon 66 > 40 years and it is made entirely out of nylon except for the bolt, barrel, and inner parts. I have never heard of anyone complaining about it being plastic. They have been noted as one of the least fussy firearms under dirty conditions. Heck, even where the bolt slides in the nylon receiver it need no lubrication
I can relate with plastic being inferior to metal but my Nylon 66 and Glocks have stood the test of time and I have to give the newer "plastics" their due

Gene L 03-05-2009 04:05 PM

I suspect it is a cost-savings move, but on the other hand, the aluminum housing now isn't anything to write home about. So it could be a net gain.

NY Marksman 03-06-2009 12:00 AM

I wrote Ruger a month and a half or so ago but never heard back from them about the same thing.
I really don't care what the reasons they want us to believe about why they changed from metal to plastic. I don't like the new composite parts and thats all there is to it as far as I'm concerned. My 10/22 was the very first rifle to be posted to Rugers "Tricked out 22's" photo Gallery and I wouldn't have spent the time and money in it if it had been one of the plastic versioned ones. I still think the new Trigger housings are a cost cutting ploy and nothing else. I love my 10/22's but if I ever buy another one the first thing to go will bee all the plastic parts.

rugermike 03-07-2009 05:09 PM

Plastic
 
I have worked on and with many injection modeling presses and with some of the toughest materials out there to inject into a part. Delerin is probably the strongest and most forgiving and expensive of all of them(this goes on all car and truck exterior molded parts that take a beating). They WILL NOT exceed aluminum or steel trigger assys, PERIOD! Even with "long strand glass filled polymer" (which is basically ABS and fiber glass filled resin)trigger housings that is even more expensive!
Now again I was in this industry for over 15 years? JMO

stalkingbear 03-12-2009 09:41 PM

I recieved a package today containing a new COMPLETE trigger guard assembly made of plastic, as promised by Ruger rep but sent from different rep. It was sent from Randall Pence, executive director of sales & marketing.

First impressions: It is flat gray, complete (which is suprise, since I only asked for a housing), features an extended magazine release, and has a grooved plastic grooved trigger. It actually has a crisp trigger release, breaking at about 4.5 pounds with some takeup. I'm honestly shocked it breaks as easy & smooth as it does! Everything is the same specs and location of the safety, bolt release, and magazine release is where expected. The bolt release is standard and will require the modification to make it an easy release. I see no reason to buy an Power custom or Volquartson bolt release when 3 minutes and an Dremel will accomplish exactly the same thing. I'm going to install it as is and try it out, then install an adjustable takeup and overtravel of my own design, modify the bolt release, and wring it out later in the week to see what differences it makes, if any, weather permitting. Range report to follow soon. I hope I don't have to eat crow, but WILL TRUTHFULLY write exactly what I discover. How many think I should do a torture test on it? Neil

WhiteWolf4 03-14-2009 07:50 PM

I hate plastic on a firearm....WhiteWolf


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