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Old 10-17-2011, 04:02 AM   #21
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Those 39's are very popular and rugged .22's that will outlast most of us no matter how young we are when we get one. But I wouldn't call them tack drivers. Lever action rifles need to have loose tolerances to keep the bullets feeding well. That means less accuracy. It's not that they shoot bad. They don't. They just aren't on the same level as a bolt action rifle or even some semi-auto rifles including some made by Marlin.

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Old 10-17-2011, 04:16 AM   #22
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The difference is the Marlin Micro-grooving in the barrels.
It is inherently more precise. More lands & grooves, with proper bullet selection, means better seal and more precision.
Once the action on a lever-action is Locked...it should have zero movement...the bullet just has to do its job in the barrel....
which means, after the action locks, its all up to the barrel & the shooter.

Micro-groove barrels are why a $125 Marlin 795 can shoot less than dime-sized groups @ 50 yards with proper ammo selection.
Of course, I spent a little time pillar bedding it, doing a DIP trigger job, and put on a target adjustable rear sight from a Marlin 25MN...
So now it makes guys who spent $500+ pimping their 1022 cry when they get beat by a guy with less than $200 in his little ole Marlin.


Of course, getting to know your rifle intimately is as important as the fixins...consistant shooting is truly important.
Annie Oakley used a lever-action Marlin for decades...she practiced until she knew exactly where it would shoot...
and I think we all know how that turned out

If you can hit tossed golf balls 10 of 10, you have a good rifle & a good shooter, takes both to do it

I used to have a Ruger 1022-T...traded it for a 1981 Yamaha XS400 after my 2005 Marlin 60 consistantly beat it.
The 60 got traded in for a 989-M2 after it got toasted consistantly by my 1913 Marlin model 37 Slide-action .22lr.
I still don't know why older guns seem to shoot better than newer ones...but there was definitely something going on
as far as extreme quality in older firearms that the modern ones seem to miss more often than not.

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JMOfartO:

I'd be the first to agree that the Marlin 39 family of lever action rimfire rifles are probably NOT in the class with dedicated "target" rimfire rifles made by other manufacturers, bolt actions in particular as to "absolute target accuracy".

But, I would argue that for casual target plinking, or sending a tree rat or similar critter to the cooking pot, or just enjoying shooting those feral aluminum coke cans we all enjoy putting holes in, the older Marlin 39's are hard to beat..

And, (I know I'm prejudiced) I think they're pretty little suckers and will last several lifetimes if properly maintained.

Just personal opinion, no offense to those who have differing opinions..

Just making conversation.

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I've often wondered how Oakley managed to shoot as well as she did with a lever action rifle. As with any rifle there are many, many variables to consider. The right ammo for each gun is important. Maybe the Marlins were made more consistent back then. I know they still shoot great but I have 4 of them and none of them will shoot as well as my Savage or my CZ. I have a 60SS that comes very close but not quite. I wonder about the ammo she used too. What ammo did she use, does anyone know? I know she didn't pull the cheap tricks Bill Cody used or at least everything I've ever read or watched said she didn't. Whatever the case, she was a heck of a shooter. There are great shooters today too of course but for the time period she seemed to be head and shoulders better than most.

Just for the record I think we should point out that Oakley never saw a Micro-Groove Marlin having died in 1926 while the great advancement of rifling didn't occur until the 1950's. Marlin's used Ballard rifling like a lot of rifles up to that point.

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The heavy barreled Ruger 10/22 for the money is as good as it gets, IMHO. After you get it, send the trigger out to Clark Custom for a 2.5 lb trigger with no creep and the auto bolt drop. It can take a 1/2 inch group gun down to a ragged single hole at 25 yards.

I built mine for about $800, don't have pics on this lap-top or would post. Clark Custom barrel, trigger job, free floated my barrel and can actually shoot mosquitos at 25 yards. Mine seems to like the Federal semi auto target ammo in the 325 round box.

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The heavy barreled Ruger 10/22 for the money is as good as it gets, IMHO. After you get it, send the trigger out to Clark Custom for a 2.5 lb trigger with no creep and the auto bolt drop. It can take a 1/2 inch group gun down to a ragged single hole at 25 yards.

I built mine for about $800, don't have pics on this lap-top or would post. Clark Custom barrel, trigger job, free floated my barrel and can actually shoot mosquitos at 25 yards. Mine seems to like the Federal semi auto target ammo in the 325 round box.
Or you can do the same mods to a Marlin 60 and shoot a ragged hole at 50yds .

Mine shot this 3 shot group box stock at 50yds.
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Or you can do the same mods to a Marlin 60 and shoot a ragged hole at 50yds .

Mine shot this 3 shot group box stock at 50yds.
^^^ Minus the barrel swap...Marlin's Microgroove barrels are pretty darn precise without needing to be switched.
I find Pillar-bedding & a trigger job to be all a semi-auto Marlin usually needs to eat other rifles for breakfast.
Nice to be able to do that for under $200
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I shot a 90 yard, 3 shot group that measured .39" with my 60SS. Every shot was in the bull too. That's mosquito busting accuracy all day long. Here's a photo of the group.



BTW it won't shoot this accurate all the time. I've done it more than once though. And I've shot bunches of quarter inch groups at 50 yards with it. I used to see how many shots it would take me to completely knock the red of the bull off a Shoot N See target (like the one in the photo). I could get rid of every bit of red in no more than 12 rounds usually. Hitting the bull was no problem. Getting that last bit of red on the target was a little tougher.

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I've owned a Mossberg 144 for many years. It's has the old style T-bolt handle with S-130 rear peep sight. This gun is extremely accurate. Somewhere along the line I misplaced or should I say lost the front sight hood. After researching online I'm confused to whether a sight hood for the 44US or the 144LS (later models) will fit my rifle. Also if anyone knows of a Company that could help me I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

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Savage vs. Marlin. Not sure which Savage, went to website, too many choices that I don't know about. Local store (i am in compliant state) has MKI g listed. Marlin 795 also listed. Anybody know these 2 well and can comment? Thanks.

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