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Old 04-16-2014, 09:49 PM   #31
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Smallbore silhouette isn't even a sanctioned event. To start off with the 22LR won't knock the silhouette down. Not a full sized High Power target, no. Scaled appropriately, they fall just fine. It is an event to get children interested in target shooting. Worked for me, though the rest of your assertions have errors

NRA smallbore is a 50 yard competition with iron sights. No it isn't. At 50 yards the 22 LR has a wind drift of around 2" with a 10 mph wind. NRA smallbore shooters are awesome. The top 10 or more shooters will hit a target the size of a pencil almost every time.

Virtually all sanctioned smallbore events are shot with iron sights at 50 yards.
Nope. not correct for silhouette disciplines. Rolling around on a mat with a traditional smallbore target rifle shooting at paper maybe.
While it has fallen out of style, it is in fact, a NRA sanctioned discipline.
Your 50 yard assertion is incorrect unless your range is forced to use scaled down targets for some reason, i.e. your range doesn't go to 100 meters. Unadjusted/unmodified smallbore setups go to 100 meters.

http://vc4hss.com/Air_Rifle/info_docs/NRA_Rifle_Silhouette_Rules.pdf

I was an AA (yeah. nothing special) shooter in NRA Smallbore Rifle Silhouette, NRA Small Bore Hunter's Pistol and NRA Hunter's pistol as a teenager. They all went out to 100 meters.

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6.4 Distances - Matches are commonly Bred at ranges of 200, 300, 385, and 500 meters or yards in High Power and Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Silhouette, 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters or yards for Cowboy Lever Action Silhouette, 40, 50, 75 and 100 meters or yards for Cowboy Pistol Cartridge, and Smallbore Cowboy Rifle Silhouette, 40, 60, 77 and 100 meters or yards for Smallbore Rifle Silhouette and 20, 30, 36, and 45 yards for Air Rifle Silhouette. A ±l% variation is permissible.
Note: Range facilities that are used for Smallbore Rifle, Hunter's Pistol, Smallbore Hunter's Pistol and/or Smallbore Pistol may erect a turkey rail or stands at 76 meters/yards, with standard size targets, for the purpose of conducting multi-program Approved and Registered Tournaments. They may also use reduced size pigs for use at the standard 50 Meter (50 Yard) pistol distance. Single purpose ranges must maintain the standard distance for the turkey and pig stands.
6.4.1 Alternate Range Distances - Where available range distances do not permit targets to be placed at their maximum specified distances, tournament sponsors must use targets scaled to proportional shorter distances. In such cases, the actual distances must be stated in the program, but under no circumstances may High Power and Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Silhouette be fired at a distance closer than 200 yards, nor may Smallbore Silhouette be fired at a distance closer than 40 yards. National Records may be set at certain alternate range distances. See Rule 17.5.
http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Sil-p/sil-p-book.pdf

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7.3 Hunter’s Pistol and Smallbore Hunter’s Pistol Competition - A sanctioned match consists of 40, 60, 80, or 120 rounds fired in the standing position on targets which are one-half the size of standard High Power Rifle targets as follows (an example of the minimum course of fire):
(a) Ten Gallina (chicken) targets at 40 meters (or yards).
(b) Ten Javelina (pig) targets at 50 meters (or yards).
(c) Ten Guajalote (turkey) targets at 75 meters (or yards).
(d) Ten Borrego (ram) targets at 100 meters (or yards).
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No one is Doubting what the sanctioned courses are. I shot those same courses as a teen, and as an asst. RSO for many Youth Comps. In my 20's and Early 30's until I got too busy with work and school. I am Doubting a constant hit at 500 Yds. I have seen it done out to 300, and someone On one of the TV Shows(with a $500 Match Barrel on a Modified 10/22 Action) made a 400 Yd. shot ONE out of 5 times.....at that Point it's mere luck more then then skill...
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While it has fallen out of style, it is in fact, a NRA sanctioned discipline.
Your 50 yard assertion is incorrect unless your range is forced to use scaled down targets for some reason, i.e. your range doesn't go to 100 meters. Unadjusted/unmodified smallbore setups go to 100 meters.

http://vc4hss.com/Air_Rifle/info_docs/NRA_Rifle_Silhouette_Rules.pdf

I was an AA (yeah. nothing special) shooter in NRA Smallbore Rifle Silhouette, NRA Small Bore Hunter's Pistol and NRA Hunter's pistol as a teenager. They all went out to 100 meters.



http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Sil-p/sil-p-book.pdf



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Yes, I have questions. I know the NRA has rules for all kinds of matches. There are even rules for a F1 class smallbore match. Can you locate a 100 yard smallbore match?
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Yes, I have questions. I know the NRA has rules for all kinds of matches. There are even rules for a F1 class smallbore match. Can you locate a 100 yard smallbore match?
Currently? Truth be told I haven't been looking. I know that one of my local ranges has the facilities and equipment to support one. Whether they were running them lately, I couldn't say.
I do know that when I was growing up, the Desert Marksman in SoCal hosted Smallbore rifle matches. I know that most of the ranges in Western Washington also hosted a variety of different silhouette disciplines at one time or another. I suppose it's possible that some still do.

You do know that a 100 yard or meter range isn't really all that exotic, right? There are very likely hundreds, maybe even thousands of ranges throughout North America that can support some guys shooting .22s at metal critters out to 100 meters? Finding a range that goes to 500 meters for High Power rifle Silhouette, those are less common.

Seems to me that the burden here isn't on me. You made an incorrect assertion and I corrected it with relevant documentation. It's not on me to salve your delicate feelings. You can obviously use the internet to some degree, you look it up.
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So making a wind call and adjusting your sights accordingly is luck, then?

Clearly you don't know how to legitimately shoot rifles if you don't know how to make a wind call.
I was about to say the same thing. People can shoot 100 yards in wind with a .22 just like they can shoot 1000 yards in wind with a .308... They just have to adjust
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We have a few Outdoor Ranges here that go to 400-500 Yards. And One( Gunsite-if you can afford to Train and take classes there) has an 800, a 1000, and 1200 yard ranges.....
The newest one is just East of Flagstaff( about 3 miles South of the new Twin Arrows Casino/ Resort Hotel...but you have to drive for a mile and a half + on unimproved dirt roads after you get off I-40 to get to it , and it can not operate in Bad weather(Rain/Snow/high winds) because of that. If we have bad weather conditions we can always go to our indoor Place, with 6-25 yd. Pistol/Rimfire range lanes, and 2-100 yd. Rifle/Shotgun lanes,..plus a 4 lane 50 Yd. Archery range...

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