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Old 05-24-2012, 05:58 AM   #1
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Was wondering what your guys take on the 17 hmr round. If you like it better or less than the .22 and if you like the 17 hmr, what is the best ammo??

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Old 05-24-2012, 06:47 AM   #2
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I love the 17HMR, more power then a 22lr, out of my savage I can get a 1" group at 100 yards (with little wind). I use a mix of hornady vmax and cci tnt rounds. I use hornady for plinking and target shooting and I use the cci for vermin control.

The Hornady Vmax I get for about 12 dollars a box for 50 rounds where the CCI TNT is 13-14. For vermin control say a muskrat it takes 4 or 5 rounds of CCI stinger to kill it, it takes 1 17hmr to kill him. Ballisticly is just devastates any small animal it hits with twice the effective range of a 22lr. I've ssen guys hit targets out to 200 yards with good wind, so I don't doubt it's capable of killing a animal at that range.

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Please explain to me who is trying to learn how the 17HMR is more powerful than the .22LR. Is it the charge of gun powder in the round?

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Velocity is the name of the game. Half the bullet weight but a poopload faster, hence the flat and accurate 100+ yards.

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A .22 is hard to beat for a first gun or learning shooting skills. I've shot a .17 to 200 yards with good accuracy, either round is good for small varmits. Both don't have tremendous knockdown, but get an accurate setup and have fun.

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Please explain to me who is trying to learn how the 17HMR is more powerful than the .22LR. Is it the charge of gun powder in the round?
It's about power to weight ratio. A 'regular' .22LR has a .22mm bullet stuck on a .22mm shell. A .17HMR has a .17mm bullet stuck on a .22mm shell, not a .17mm shell. (I don't think there is a .17mm shell.) It's flight is faster, flatter, less affected by wind, but with less mass, I think it has less force at impact.

But I'm just guessing on all this. If I was smart I would've Googled it and found out what I was talking about.
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Extremely accurate. I have no problems with the .17 HMR'S that Hornady makes. Cliff

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It's about power to weight ratio. A 'regular' .22LR has a .22mm bullet stuck on a .22mm shell. A .17HMR has a .17mm bullet stuck on a .22mm shell, not a .17mm shell. (I don't think there is a .17mm shell.) It's flight is faster, flatter, less affected by wind, but with less mass, I think it has less force at impact.

But I'm just guessing on all this. If I was smart I would've Googled it and found out what I was talking about.
The 17HMR is actually a .17 bullet in a .22 Mag case. The .17 Mach2 is in a .22 LR case.
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Cinder- good job, but that is .17 cal (hundredths of an inch) and not mm.

Energy is speed squared times mass. While the .17 HMR is a very light bullet (half the weight of a .22 LR bullet) it is moving rather screamingly fast. It also has a better shape to the projectile.

End result is a VERY accurate, VERY tiny bullet with a LOT of energy.

As said, the HMR was derived from the .22 Magnum case. The .17 Mach 2 from the .22 Stinger case. And for those that forget, there was a short lived 5mm Remington that was hotter than any of the above.

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I own all 3 makes of 22 style guns, 22LR, 22Mag, and 17HMR. I don't have a 17HM2, but I'm sure it's just like the 17HMR in a scaled down version. They all will kill within their zeroed range. It really depends on what you're wanting to shoot and how far that game target is for that caliber. The 22LR is zeroed generally at 50yds and handles a bullet from 30 to 40 grains depending on Manufacturer of ammo and whether it's Regular or Stinger(CCI)type ammo, at around 975 to 1250 feet per second. The 22Mag has more knockdown punch due to it's longer case with more powder, and handles a bullet that's the same as a 22LR at around 40grains with around 1875 feet per second and is zeroed at 100yds. The receivers will generally be made of steel due to the more power that a 22Mag shell generates. Now the 17HMR is a 22Mag case with a bullet in either 17 grain or 20 grains. These can be a polymer tipped or JHP(jacketed hollow point). These rounds are lightning fast with around 2100 up to 2500 feet per second and have very little knockdown power. They are very lethal up to 200yds(size of game will matter at longer distances). What does the damage is the bullets are designed to fragment upon penetration. This is what does the killing. It's like a tiny shotgun shell going off inside the designated target. Comparing the 22LR to a 17HMR is like comparing a 30-30 to a 22-250 in the centerfire catagory. It's all in the range and what type of shooting you're doing. Shorter range, so speed doesn't matter, or long range where speed is needed to not lose the prey, but penetration is still a much needed plus for the kill. For killing BIGGER animals, you NEED knockdown power also to shock the system, so a bigger bullet is the ticket. Not saying that a 22LR won't kill a deer, because I've seen it done, but a hunter also needs to be humane too with as quick a kill as possible. As to simple target shooting, any caliber is good, with 17HMR good over the 22Mag at up to 200 or even 250yds. The 22Mag loses out after 150yds due to so much bullet drop.
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